Talk:The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II/Archive 1

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New Picture Added
I have added a picture of the LOTRBFME II as I thought it could do with one - looks a bit boring without any pictures. Any queries about this go to my user page and and click on discussion - write anything there, you think its a bit queer by me putting an image here you know what to do...LOTRrules 21:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Features
Is it me or does "Argonath as the menu map" not really seem like an actual feature?

Comments section
Okay someone needs to edit that section. In BFME2 the good campaign does none of the things the mentioned section states except the Rivendell attack. As said Smaug is absent from the game due to EA being unable to get permission to use his name. I don't know where that even came from. The dragon is Drogoth and he's in the Blue Mountains. That's on the opposite side of the bloody map for pete's sake! And where the Angmar thing came from I'm also clueless. The Witch-King isn't even present in the campaign, let alone his ancient realm. There's Dol guldur, which the assault upon Tolkien did write about. The Siege of Erebor is in the game, which I believe Tolkien also wrote about. Most of the major events in the War of the Ring in the north are correct. So could somebody fix this.


 * I edited the reference to Smaug out, as this is a fairly good point. --Melissia 01:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I think the meantion of Angmar being defeated long ago is irrelevant to the game. I've beaten both evila nd good campaigns, and the only mention of Angmar that I remember regards the Witch-King.  Whomever wrote those comments is, in my opinion, somewhat of an idiot, or hasn't actually played the game. --Melissia 19:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

just to let u guys know some info on the page is only for xbox 360 and some only for pc. so u might have only one edition(for example xbox)and dont have all the stuff it says. that because(if u have xbox) those things would be on the pc.Knapper1176 (talk) 19:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC) -

Note, someone re-added the section on Angmar being defeated despite my objections, and did not leave a comment about it. Because they did not comment about it, I edited it out again. Angmar WAS defeated a long time before the war of the rings-- HOWEVER-- Battle for Middle Earth 2 does not deal with Angmar, except for referring to the leader of the Ringwraiths as the Witch King of Angmar. And though the Angmar faction can fight against the other factions once you get the expansion pack, it would be rather stupid to assume that skirmish battles are to be considered canon. Other small edits in grammar to make it less of a harsh criticism and lean more towards commentary. --Melissia 17:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Crunch Time
I think it's worth noting that this was one of the first titles developed by the EALA studio after the EA Spouse overtime issue. The dramatic change in the working environment on this title should be discussed. The team never worked a 7 day week and was in a 6 day crunch for only a small part of the development.

March 2 Release Date
The article says the game was to be released on March 2, 2006. Well...that was yesterday. Was it released or not? --Anthony5429 22:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Copyright
I have reverted this article because there was no discussion of a copyright violation, there was a threat of indefininte banning when the user who put that notice there is not even an admin. I see no reason of that notice and it is not viable to put seems like a false copyright notice on this article. Heck, that can be considered vandalism. If I am wrong, then please say so here and/or on my talk page. Thanks. 5aret 16:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that a couple days ago and wondered why. Thunderbrand 20:49, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Remove the production note. The game is out.-bfme2 owner :)

EA| Apoc
This is a confirmed hoax.

Hoax
I now firmly believe that this is a hoax. Both the email addresses apoc@eagames.com and the ea_robi@electronicarts.co.uk address failed to deliver. I believe that someone is making things up. 5aret 21:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Two Things
One, is there any source for the "Criticisms and complaints"? They were added all in one edit, and I don't really know of anyone that has complained about the use of powers or heros; from what I've seen, they're liked.

Secondly, and I would put this on that article but I doubt anyone will see it, the "Drogorth" wikipedia page is completely unecessary. Even Lurtz only gets a paragraph or two, and there's no reason why a minor fictional game character should get an article like the Drogorth one (which is also mispelled, by the way, it should be Drogoth), especially given that article's current content. Could someone please delete it or something (I'm rather new to Wikipedia, so I know it ends up on VfD, but I'm a little unclear on how it gets there). Salur 19:34, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, about the criticism, whoever wrote it probably wanted to point out some things (unoriginal game features, goblin/orc misconceptions, etc.) However, every game is bound to have unoriginal features... I'll rename the Criticism section to "Commentary" and emphasize the points the editor made (Glorfindel not silver-haired, use of original characters, etc.) 203.215.122.57 14:19, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

If Drogoth and Gorkil deserve their own Wikipedia articles, don't Berethor and the other main characters from The Lord of the Rings: The Third Age deserve articles? (More likely none of these characters should have articles.) Gildir 15:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Goblins/Orcs Critique
The author of the criticism regarding the oneness of goblins and orcs obviously has not read J.R.R. Tolkien's the Silmarillion (spelling?). There is, in fact, a distinction between goblins and orcs. Orcs originated from elves that had been tortured by Morgoth. Goblins are Morgoth-tortured dwarves.

No, you're wrong. See Orc (Middle-earth). 202.163.241.4 17:17, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Argonath as the menu map <--- Doesn't this seem as kind of just "something"? I wouldn't list it as a feature.

Because Gothmog not appear in the game? Mostro 22:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The game is based as much off the movie as the book, and the movie seems to make a difference. For examples of goblins, see the scenes in Moria. For examples of Orcs, see the armies of Mordor (although mordor also used Uruk-Hai, Isengard used them as the primary force of its army). For examples of Uruks, see the scenes involving armies of Isengard, with the white hand on their forehead.

Thus, why Isengard has uruks as its forces, Mordor has orcs as its, and the Goblins are considered a unique race of their own. Just my explanations. --Melissia 02:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

X60 Differences
What about adding a section with the differences between the PC- and the Xbox 360 version? I have the game for the PC and I was able to play it on the console, too. Some things are striking:

Most important ones:
 * No "War of the Ring"-Mode
 * No "customizable" Heroes. Only preset heroes. (Not sure about this)(correct Knapper1176 (talk) 19:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC))
 * No separate "Planning Mode"
 * Complete new menu design
 * Four new multiplayer modes
 * Innovative console controls

Misspellings
The term Hobbit Sherrif is incorrect... the book clearly spells it "Shirrifs," not sherrifs, and the game labels them simply "hobbits." When selected, they say: "Team up, Shirrifs," and they pronounce it shiriffs, (the shir pronounced like fear, rather than hair). --Melissia 01:47, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Give Rise of the Witch-King its own article? (eventually)
Will we ever give BfMEII: Rise of the Witch-King its own article? From what I've read off the press release, it seems like RotWK will have a lot of new content, possibly enough for its own article. ShadowUltra 23:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea to me. I read the news as well.  New units for all factions, a completely new faction, a completely new storyline, new editing features, etc.  Sounds like enough for its own article.--Melissia 22:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And a completely new butchering of Tolkien's work :) 23:58 19th August 2006
 * Perhaps, but we don't know. More than likely, I think, it'll just be a representation of the series of events which led to Arnor's downfall-- the rise of the witch king, as the name suggests. --Melissia 15:13, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Magic
I'm sure the magic system here is incompatible with Tolkien's actual magic system, but I can't express how (and put it into the article). Uthanc 09:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * That depends. After all, in the Hobbit, Gandalf was described (if taken literally) as using lightning bolts to kill goblins in the cave.  Certainly, wizard blast is based on the movie, and fireball is simply made up entirelly, but the rest have explanations.  Wizards can control people's minds through various means, thus converting them, and the idea of being changed into something unnatural is a reference to the fears Sam has, real or otherwise.  --Melissia 18:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Joseph D. Kucan
The evil guy who is the preset bad human on the hero editor looks an awful lot like Joseph D. Kucan don't you think? 216.174.135.175 18:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)jamhaw

Traitors
Why is it that characters such as Gloin and Ents try to destroy structures of good units like Men and Elves? Are they traitorous? Scorpionman 02:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Costs
Do you think we s hould include the costs of units, buildings, heroes, etc. here?--ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 15:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That seems like extraeneous information for an encyclopedia, don't you think? Wikipedia isn't a guide...  --Melissia 19:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * yeah, i guess. But isn't a list of units, heroes, etc a bit extravagant as well?--ANDY+MCI=Andy Mci 16:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Not really. A list of units/heroes/etc could be useful in research, if one wished to see how far the games and movies deviated from the books.  --Melissia 21:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Could that be added to it or not? - Just things like Mordor has Orcs, Trolls etc while this army uses this and that etc UltimateNagash 16:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

yes u should but add to this talk page Knapper1176 (talk) 19:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Glorfindel's hair
Moved this here:

"[Glorfindel has white or silver hair despite his name meaning 'blonde'] (though it's possible that the game's version of the character is meant to depict a Glorfindel somewhat transfigured after his death in battle and subsequent return to Middle-Earth in the company of the wizards)."

While probably a reference to film-Gandalf's hair color change from grey to white, (Book-Gandalf the Grey was already white-haired), explaining his hair color as a result of either sloppy research or artistic license makes more sense to me. We don't have any stuff from the game developers that would explain this anyway (so far), so the difference stands by itself without explanation. Uthanc 16:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

War of the Ring
I posted a link to The Lord of the Rings: War of the Ring under See Also. Since they are both RTS based on Lord of the Rings. Feel free to comment or complain. TheGamerDude 08:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Rangers of the North/South - Dúnedain?
"The game features the Rangers of the North, who did not appear in the films except for Aragorn himself. However, it distinguishes them from the Rangers of Ithilien ("Gondor Rangers") by calling them "Dúnedain Rangers". This is somewhat misleading, however, as they are both directly linked to the Númenórean people by blood and history, and thus both are Dúnedain."

The author needs to substantiate this piece with evidence, because as far as I'm aware the Rangers of the North are referred to, interchangeably as 'Dúnedain', whilst Faramir's Rangers are the 'Rangers of Ithilien/Gondor/the South'. I know of no confusion arising from the game calling them Dúnedain Rangers. The 'Chieftain' of the Dúnedain was Aragorn, Captain of the Ranger of the North. By the end of the Third Age, the name Dúnedain seems to refer to the remnant of the people of Arnor.

CTwells 17:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * "They spoke together in soft voices, at first using the Common Speech, but after the manner of older days, and then changing to another language of their own. To his amazement, as he listened Frodo became aware that it was the Elven-tongue that they spoke, or one but little different; and he looked at them with wonder, for he knew then that they must be Dúnedain of the South, men of the line of the Lords of Westernesse." - The Two Towers (copied from a site, not my book, heh) Uthanc 02:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * just to say that quote you provide doesnt mean that all Ithilian rangers are dunedain, its likely that Faramirs close retinue would be however but the rangers of the north have a stronger connection to the dunedain than men of Gondor. It's highly likely that a lot of Ithilian rangers may be of mixed blood as the book often references that most men of Gondor have mixed 'lesser men'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.222.85 (talk) 23:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Campaign Listing
What's with the list of levels? It isn't necessary, if nobody objects I will remove it. Saziel t c 11:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This whole article is filled to the brim with uncyclopedic info, so I would suggest either removing the list of levels or turning them into prose. The only reason I haven't done it already is I was going to prosify it, but that never happened. Keep an eye out after you remove pieces; anons and new users may re-add it later.--Clyde (talk) 16:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed a couple of sections. The commentary section needs work though- at the very least it should be renamed (Differences from Tolkien's Work, perhaps). Saziel t c 16:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

a little problem
uh....yes... well i like the game very much but there is 1 little problem stopping me from playing it.. i start the skirmish, etc ,etc and after 3mins and 46 seconds exactly!! i am defeted, automatically idk how to fix this problem, but if any1 of you does know , please share it with me.. =) thank you for the help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.92.158 (talk) 18:00, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

FIX YOUR GRAMMAR FOOL. AND THIS IS NOT A FORUM OR AN ARTICLE FOR A WALKTHROUGH. LOTRrules 20:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry should have been more polite. This is NOT a forum  LOTRrules (talk) 23:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

No mention
May I point out this article makes no mention of Sauron and Galadriel? These are extremely important, and new, gameplay changes from the first game, I also take grievance with the listing of statistics of units, this is not GameFAQs, and the lack of a Reception with improper linking to an expansion pack is worrisome as well, if no one has objections I'll be changing these things. Revrant 09:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, they are named in the picture. But nonetheless I'm sure someone (probably me) will get on to it LOTRrules (talk) 19:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

that statment is incorrect. it does say that u can summon galadriel with the one ring. Knapper1176 (talk) 19:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Ring Heroes
In Ring Heroes IS SAURON summoned or SARUMAN, I'm sure (about 66-75%) that it is saruman... LOTRrules (talk) 23:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

It's Sauron, hence why when you hover over him it says sauron, he has a mahoosive great mace and is called sauron, and is described in the manual as such. Need I go on? Jamie29 (talk) 19:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Dwarves
Why is Dwarven section so long! and do we really need those HUGE tables? LOTRrules (talk) 00:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I attempted to delete the section as it was worthless, felt like a game guide, and no other factions had sections like it. However, my edits have been reverted, so I suppose it'll stay there forever.67.177.233.231 (talk) 22:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well you were on the write lines, it does not exactly meet criteria. Well done for editing them. But I suppose some user is attached to the article. LOTRrules (talk) 01:35, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well at least someone got rid of the tables... LOTRrules (talk) 01:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)