Talk:The Lord of the Rings Online/Archive 1

Added reference section and official release date
Reuters today reported the officially expected release date as April 24, 2007. I ammended the relevant portions of the article to reflect that date.

Also, in the course of doing that, I added a Reference section using ref tags. I notice the article has a bunch of generic external links, but no in-line footnote citations. I'd recommend that the references for the article be cleaned up a bit and placed as footnotes using the ref tags. It looks a bit cleaner, and also allows editors to easily match up which reference is being used to verify which piece of information. Dugwiki 16:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

monthly subscritption
Any one know whether you need to pay a monthly fee to play this game? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.46.166.10 (talk) 20:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

answer to this is in this FAQ (precisely at number 3 and 9) --Zerat ca 06:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

What to add
Hum hum, let's discuss what to add

67.175.107.187 19:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Reformatted class and facts sections (now gameplay)
I took the liberty of reformatting the class and facts (now gameplay features) sections. I consolidated the standard data points for classes into a single table, to make it easier for readers to compare class features side-by-side, and moved all the reference links to the reference section. I also converted the Facts section from a bullet point list to paragraph prose format (since paragraphs are generally preferred for Wiki articles to bullet point lists as a matter of style preference).

Finally, I omitted the specific lists of skills for classes since they appeared to be simply a list of skill names with no context of meaning to the reader. (It just listed the name of a skill but had no explanation of why a reader would need to know or be interested in this information.) That level of skill name detail seemed pretty excessive, and moreover isn't really worthwhile to a reader unless they already are playing the game and know what those skills do.

Hope it looks better, but feel free to alter or ammend. Dugwiki 21:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Open Beta
The article states it begins on March 30th, however it is currently feb 16th and open beta has already begun. perhaps this should be changed? Shadows604 03:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * no, the beta that is running now is the close beta.Varcety 12:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok thanks for clearing that up Shadows604 06:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Currently, there is only an open beta for European players. This article refers to the american one, I think. Lifeisagame247 00:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

MMORPG Speak
I just wanted to add that this article is quite unclear about the terms it uses and most likely, the average wiki reader who comes upon this article will be confused by 'Role: Nuker' and 'Role: Buffer/Healer'

Not everyone spends their life playing MMORPGs...


 * I noticed the same thing the other day while I was reformatting the character class section. The terms used in the "Role" lines for the classes are mainly MMORPG gamer terms and might not be familiar to a layman.  In addition, I'm concerned that those qualifications might be subjective opinion on the part of the original author.  It therefore might make sense to either clean up or remove the role lines entirely so that the information they present is both verifiable and easier for non-MMORPG gamers to understand. Dugwiki 19:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps adding links to the meaning of those words would help clear up the confusion and be better then removing the line completely. Shadows604 04:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I can understand adding to the description of the hunter's role in a party but don't delete the description that came with the game. If you don't think people that haven't played the game will realize what it means the define it or link it to the definition.

Avatar Type
Sorry, I have to disagree with the type of Avatar which is represent in a LOTRO (and other computer games) Character. Surely there is a different between 'Forum-avatars' (Which in my opinion is a picture representative the image of a person or their mood), to 'character-avatars'? (incarnation of god, heroes, that type of thing) I would have thought a 'character avatar' would be more appropriate for a player-character in LOTRO. I'll be adding this to the Avatar (Icon) discussion too. Paul Norfolk Dumpling 08:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * From Wikipeda article on Avatars - An avatar is an Internet user's representation of himself or herself, whether in the form of a three-dimensional model used in computer games, a two-dimensional icon (picture) used on Internet forums and other communities, or a text construct found on early systems such as MUDs or currently on the wikipedia. The term "avatar" can also refer to the personality connected with the screen name, or handle, of an Internet user. The discussion on the avatar page brings up good points however it seems to be your POV on the meaning of the word that stands behind your main argument, which i don't understand really what your getting at? Do you want us to stop referring to our Characters as Avatars?

Addition of links
Why is the current set of external links fixed and Wirbelwind wont allow any other links except these to be added, seems like favoritism here, the set of unofficial links here in no way gives an accurate representation of current and update to date unofficial links, if you wont list all the good ones, dont list any. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.215.116.247 (talk) 02:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Favoritism? I don't know any of those sites and I don't play the game, so how can it be favoritism? But you're right, there's too many fan sites there, and feel free to remove all but one as per WP:MOS. Actually, I'll remove them. --Wirbelwind ヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 03:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * How's that? --Wirbelwind ヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 03:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Wirblewind is not the only one removing fan sites, Six links is more then enough, it is supposed to be a summary list not a complete list of all sites and forums on the internet. Shadows604 04:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Turbine has their own list of approved fansites. I removed all existing links to fansites and added a link to Turbine's approved list of fansite. Either this wiki includes that entire list or just link to it, don't be selective about it. I also added links to the Turbine's forums. If there is a Euro Fansite list by turbine we should add a link to that as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.134.136.4 (talk) 18:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC).
 * That's more or less perfect. However, if Turbine's main site is linked, then their forum doesn't really need to be. Just looked at what you did. Not 100% sure if it fits the guidelines of MOS, but I like it nonetheless. --Wirbelwind ヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 21:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

merging topics
 * The official NA and Europoean site links should stay, as well as one widely known item/quest/craft database (such as Allakhazam). All other fansites don't belong in an encyclopedia and should be deleted. The official sites have fansites listed.UtmostCathode 21:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Since Turbine has a list of approved fansites, it's probably best not to list any fansites here unless you list them all. --Skunark 03:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

"Criticism" vandal
Just because you are angry at the modding staff doesn't give you the right to vandalize. Who are you, Adam Smith?

Do it again I'll report you.

BTW: Anyone care to add an accurate Criticism section?

- Maybe something about the game being strange blend of WoW and GW? I am playing it for weeks and didn't see new thing to excite me, beside nice MIddle-Earth scenery...

Thats Sheer opinion and is not Encyclopedic is the least. Remember Wikipedia is not a soapbox and Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. -- Also the games Authoritative base can be attributed more to Asherons Call 2 than to GW or WoW Martinj63 22:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)Martinj63

LOTR as a trilogy
It says in a comment in the article to see trilogy for why LOTR is not a trilogy, but that article is HUGE, I'm not going to read that whole thing. How about putting something here an the discussion page as to why YOU think that definition excludes LOTR as a trilogy. I called it a series of books just to avoid the word trilogy, but having read it I can say it sure as hell was not originally released as just a single book. It may be one story, but that doesn't mean it was one book. -Mike Payne (T • C) 04:15, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * From Trilogy: Uthanc 07:43, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Tolkien regarded it as a single work and divided it into a prologue, six books, and five appendices. Because of post-World War II paper shortages, it was originally published in three volumes. Sir Stanley Unwin, Tolkien's publisher, also split the novel into three parts to garner separate book reviews for each book of the 'trilogy', and thus (hopefully) spike book sales. It is still most commonly sold as three volumes, but has also been published in one-volume and seven-volume editions (as it is also split into six books and the appendices).


 * From wiktionary:A collection of three books, motion pictures, or electronic games in one. A three-part series. Now, it may have originally intended to be one book, but it wasn't. The fact of the matter is that the story WAS divided, regardless of whether that was the author's intention or not. The definition of trilogy doesn't say it's three "stories" but that it's three "books," and this definitely fits that description. I'll change the wording to "the author's most famous story" as a compromise, but it definitely was not one novel(regardless of whether it should have been). -Mike Payne (T • C) 19:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Bah, wiktionary defines a novel as a story, not a book. Given that statement, I assume it is possible for a novel to span many books, although that would not be possible as far as how I thought the word was defined(basically a book that is a story as opposed to like a textbook). I'll revert it. -Mike Payne (T • C) 21:55, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Canon?
Is the story that the player experiences and takes part in (Fx. Archet is attacked by Blackwold bandits) to be taken as canon, or should just be shuffled aside? -80.160.159.174 21:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That question would probably best be asked in the game forums at http://forums.lotro.com/. FeralDruid 23:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, if the lore in the game were verifiably considered canon, then it would be worth mentioning that fact in the article. However I don't think anything specific to the game can be considered "canon".  Rather, it can be considered "generally consistent" with or "based on" Tolkien's works.  So I think the only relevant statement you could make in the article would be that the game is officially endorsed by the overseer's of Tolkien estate and literary licenses.  Dugwiki 19:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Personally I consider anything licenced by the Estate or whoever, so long as its offically licenced, canon. If it severly contridicts the writings of Tolkien, I consider it non canon. If minor, I just take it as a mistake the designers make and debunk it with Tolkien's writings. 75.89.50.200 17:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Being "officially licensed" by the owner of an intellectual property franchise does not necessarily mean that the licensed work is "canon". The word canon in this context implies that it is something upon which all other works in the same canon must strive to be consistent.  Using Star Trek as an analogy, all the Star Trek films and television series are in the same canon of works because they're all consistent with each other and any future films or television series in the same canon will be consistent as well.  It is not the case, though, that all licensed fictional works involving Star Trek are part of that same official canon.  In fact, there is no guarantee that future films and television series in the standard canon line will in any way consider information from Star Trek novels or video games as something that must be adhered to.  Thus while the books and games are licensed, they are not in the same line of canon as the films and television series.
 * Therefore we can't assume that just because the game is licensed that it is in the same official canon as Tokien's novels. As far as I know we don't have a guarantee that future official Middle Earth novels hypothetically written explicitly for the Tolkien estate will have to comply with events described in the video game. Dugwiki 19:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Truthfully I doubt there will be any more novels. That was just my oppinion. Do it ever how ya want 8) 71.31.103.116 15:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually there are several short story collections by various authors that deal with Middle earth. For Example After The King is a very popular collection. Simon Tolkien is also said to be working on a Novel about Middle Earth, and as we all know the Children of Hurin was just released. Martinj63 21:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)Martinj63

I think it would be canon myself, but I am a continuationist (There should be a few paragraphs explaining what that means on the canon article). I haven't heard of this Simon Tolkien novel. May I see your source? Silvereel13 19:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Book 10 additions

 * Recetly users have been copying parts of the official press release named "Codemasters Online and Turbine unveil Book 10: The City of the Kings". Please don't do it. Alexdeangelis86 12:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, how do get protection on this page to stop non members editing the page? Alexdeangelis86 16:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * i'm sure if this continues to be an issue it'll get added by an admin (like last time) harlock_jds 16:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Source note
I have just rephrased one sentence in introduction adding intro about release in China (yeah thats me, forgot to log on). However since I'm quite new, I'm still learning formating code, so, if somebody who knows it wouldn't mind to add note (the number thingy, how is it called?) to last sentence of intro, that links to official news announcement of CDC Corporation (http://www.cdccorporation.net/newsroom/news/000709.shtml), parent company of CDC Games. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nighthawk001 (talk • contribs) 12:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Done and done! - Alexdeangelis86 13:12, 03 September 2007 (UTC)

Thranduil? Mirkwood? WHERE!!!!!
Where is Tharanduil? I'd love to see him in this game, we have Legolas!!!! so why not his father, or for that matter Mirkwood? Perhaps he is both in the Silmarillion an Lord of the Rings... And if he is, WERE...IS...HE!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.222.38.233 (talk) 11:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * As you can read in the Setting section I wrote, only Eriador is included. Mirkwood lies in Rhovanion and therefore is not included (yet). We do have Legolas in Rivendell, but he is supposed to be there to inform Elrond of Gollum's escape and he remains there until the Fellowship leaves. High King of the Noldor 09:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Section 10 change?
According to amazon (not sure if thats a good source or not, which is why Im putting this here instead of editing it myself), the special edition and regular edition both have the same list price now. Dumbybean (talk) 07:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Additions - NDA Lifted
This article needs to be expanded badly. Somebody should write a section about Crafting, and a section about music playing. All the locales in the game also need to be documented and explained. Since the NDA was lifted, everything and anything is free game to write about. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.81.80.163 (talk) 06:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Just remember that Wikipedia is not a game guide. --Wirbelwind ヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 06:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * FYI, the section you're referring to, Instruction manuals, says that "...Wikipedia articles should not include instructions or advice (legal, medical, or otherwise), suggestions, or contain "how-to"s. This includes tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, video game guides, and recipes. ...." So the article shouldn't contain quest walkthroughs, for example, or give advice on how to level up.  However, it's probably acceptable to include basic information about classes, the crafting system, and various things that might make this game stand out from other games in the same genre.  Dugwiki 17:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * And I linked it as "Wikipedia is not a game guide".... --Wirbelwind ヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 02:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Right, and I was clarifying what the section says since you didn't really get into much detail what you were talking about. Dugwiki 16:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

And I'm sure giving information about features of a game is the same as making a game guide and not giving more details on the features of a game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.14.203.32 (talk) 18:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

2nd largest MMO
I just removed an unsourced comment saying LotRO is now the 2nd largest MMO, with 4 million players. This is questionable, considering the article in question actually says 4 million characters, not 4 million players. -FeralDruid 18:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually acording to the July Games For Windows magazine ( paper magazine article not linkable sorry) the population is a little over half a million players. Which puts it around COH, SWG numbers. I was surpised to find that EQ II had more players with just under a million (Quoted from the numbers given at the 2007 fanfaire)

Martinj63 02:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Please explain how can official site be questionable? Doesn't "4 million characters" and "second largest MMORPG" qualifies as false advertising if it's on official site, and I believe that false advertising is prohibited in most countries in the world. If you take a closer look, it says: "Comparison data includes subscription-based MMORPG titles developed in North America based on reported data." This sentence excludes such games as Lineage (Korea based), EVE Online (Iceland based), Guild Wars (no subscription) etc. I think that article should include "second largest MMORPG" bit, but not 4 million characters since thats misleading advertising, however its true. Nighthawk001 15:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Nowhere do they mention the number of subscribers, just and only the number of Characters. The are the second largest in number of Characters with four million. Diametrically EQ II has more subscribers (A little under one million) and less Characters at two million. It's a slick piece of advertising but a bit misleading.

Martinj63 20:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You do realize that a player can have more than one character on a single account dont you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.14.203.32 (talk) 18:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Monster Play?
"Monster Play is unlocked at level 10, when players can automatically become level 50 monsters that are restricted to one area of the game. Players temporarily control playable monster characters, which can complete quests and attack other non-monster player characters."

Would an expansion of the description of the PvP side of LOTRO be justified? Seeing how Book 12 adds a new area, and MP has had Troll and Ranger for some time now? --198.254.16.200 (talk) 13:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I removed the "temporarily" part of the above quote. You can play as a monster for as long as you wish. Yet, you can only temporaily plays as a troll or a ranger. --199.137.137.101 (talk) 19:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Creep Healer - Defiler
It has been confirmed by the EU Dev Chat: http://lotro.stratics.com/php-bin/show_content.php?content=26598

''Brannoc - *darren* Hi. are their any plans for new ettenmoors session classes? also, are their any plans to balance the current troll and ranger session classes?

Keth_Turbine - Well, no plans for any new sessions out in the Ettenmoors, but there are plans for another Monster Play class in Book 13.

Keth_Turbine - It'll be the Orc Defiler, and he'll serve a much needed Healer role for Monster Players. '' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.227.3 (talk) 08:32, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Expansion - Mines of Moria
http://www.lotro.com/article/514

Two new classes, Warden and Rune-Keeper, Level Cap to 60. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.227.3 (talk) 19:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

soundtrack info
i just added a snippet about the soundtrack for the game because of the recent release of all of the songs. i was just going off of an interview and the news release from Turbine, so if anyone has any more info on this that'd be great. i don't have access to the making of DVD (didn't get the collector's edition) but I bet that has some good stuff.Hypershadow647 (talk) 23:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Book 14 Description rah-rah
It reads like an advertisement for the game. Exclamation points? I'm hesitant to just remove it, and I certainly don't want to rephrase it into objective language, but I think it definitely doesn't belong. Bahua (talk) 02:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a copy/paste straight from the release notes and therefore a copyvio. I'm removing it for now. - TexMurphy (talk) 10:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Screenshots?
Why no screenshots from the game? Surely it's well within the bounds of "Fair Use" to have at least one... RobertM525 (talk) 07:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm building a rig in a couple weeks that I'll use to take some great Dx10 screens that show off the game's graphics where relevant, but someone is welcome to do it sooner. I think a couple just to show how this MMO is really utilizing cutting-edge graphics would be welcome.Hypershadow647 (talk) 12:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Moving the page, series overview
We don't create disambiguation pages for seperate chapters of a book. The Mines of Moria is an expansion, not a seperate new game and this page should reflect the series name -- it should be located at "The Lord of the Rings Online". Consider this. As a series page, linking to a Shadows of Angmar page and a Mines of Moria page, what can we put on the Shadows of Angmar page that won't be subsumed in the rest of the game, including the Mines of Moria? Are we going to list the storyline found in the "epic quests" for each section of the game and thus differentiate between the Shadows of Angmar portion of the game and the Mines of Moria portion of the game? Banaticus (talk) 03:06, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

china release
lotro is not released in China yet, please correct this in the text.

the official website does already exist though

http://lotro.gtgame.com.cn/

90.42.213.73 (talk) 12:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Trivial edit
What was the point of deleting the mention of the No.1 spot in Europe and North America, only to repost it with one of the same of two links that was provided? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.254.16.200 (talk) 16:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

Under professions, what's with: Scholar Perhaps the most unique of the professions? Something is either unique or it isn't. It isn't perhaps the most unique... --LaurieFleming 02:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

unique by definition exists only once but the most unique refers to something that is more different than other things than anything else. By the nature of its subjectivity, most unique is always open to debate and so it is perfectly normal to use the phrase "perhaps the most unique"

90.42.213.73 (talk) 12:59, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Staying true to the mythos? Not at all.
It should be noted that staying true to the mythos is far from a focal point in this MMO. The 'political correctness' of the character design screen alone shows us obese elves through to the southern Kingdoms being represented as 'south america' with people of black complexion, odd given that the archetypal setting of the entire mythos was a small portion of England. They've really made a mess of the myth, I can't believe JRRT's family signed off on this tripe. 211.30.71.59 05:16, 23 February 2007 (UTC

Personally, I think the user above is so anti-'pc' (i don't like political correctness either though) that he's seeing aspects of PC when it isnt really there. There is nothing in LOTRO to link it to south america and if you've actually read Lord of the Rings it mentions that in the southern parts of Gondor you get inhabitants are 'swarthy' so it's perfectly plausible for men of Gondor to be of dark or fair complexion. Although it just goes by the premise that the darker skinned Gondor men are descended from the natives of that region rather than from the men of westernesse. BV - 16.4.07
 * Wikipedia is not a soapbox and Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. --Wirbelwind ヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 11:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually the LOTR mythos took place in what can be considered Europe. Indeed, if you read further into the material that involves LOTR you will find that there are lands far to the south of Gondor, which could be considered placed (roughly) in Africa.  Although I'd agree that people from the more southern parts of Middle-Earth are set to be darker by default, it should be noted that a variety of skin colors, hair, and eye colors are given for players to choose from which can used to change the character from looking 'south american' to looking more light skinned. 202.216.127.149 11:24, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

There are various dark and black-skinned people in the LOTR, from east of Mordor and Harad south of Gondor. And of course the people of Dunland, south of the Shire and north of Isengard, who were displaced by the Rohirrim, are swarthy. There is a sub-race within LOTRO of Men of Bree: men in Bree were descended from Dunlanders (though they'd abandoned their allegiance and become subjects of the Northern Kingdom of Arnor). Dark skin would be appropriate for this race. Mujokan 04:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I do not understand the discussion.

1)The Dunlendings were NOT dark skinned. They were descended from the House of Haleth and these people were of a fair complexion. I do not remember anything that ever said Dunlendings were dark skinned —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knerlo (talk • contribs) 23:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

thanks to lotro's (upcoming) release in China and the wonders of Google translations, half the world is conviced Middle Earth is Turkey ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.42.213.73 (talk) 13:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

classes
If you're going to erase the information, then please remember to erase the headings and the reference to the descriptions in the paragraph prior. --Bradleyrieth (talk) 22:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

i removed all the class information, its a simple copy paste from the turbine website, that isn't the way it works on wikipedia. Boneyard 09:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I added a generic description of each class that should be slightly less plaguristic in nature. Dabigdeez 14:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey this is Forodmegil from the forums, someone needs to edit the official release date in the top,it says 2006 but it has been set back to spring 2007.

About Closed Beta.. next to the release date I saw (citation needed). Not quite sure what that means, I checked on Wikipedia, can't find anything of use. In any case, this page from the official site states it began on the 8th, not 12th, of september. So I took the liberty of editing that and removing the (citation needed) tag.


 * I've also edited the Facts section a bit. I've clarified what MP is about and changed the Player crafting will take precedence over the elite raiding of boss-type monsters in the acquisition of high-end character equipment. part, because it was a false statement. Incase someone needs a citation, check this forum post, by one of the Developers.

No, about the beta, I just decided to break the NDA. It began on the 12th and was announced on the 8th. Trust me i was there :).


 * While some of the info on this article (and talk page) can be found on the Turbine site, alot of it is speculative, derived from breached NDAs, and/or just plain wrong. In cases like this I would generally say that 'less is more'... until the game is actually released there is no reason to have anything more here than general information that they have officially announced. Wikipedia isn't a 'scoop' site and shouldn't try to be, because 'inside scoops' are inherently unverifiable. 'Turbine has said XYZ', is verifiable, but until the game is released nothing else is. --CBD 16:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The NDA was lifted yesterday (2/12/07). I've updated the burgler class info with what I've collected in the beta thus far, that may change quite a bit yet.  I don't really have much on the other classes.

Avatar?
Mr friend told me that there was a class in this game called an "avatar", but it's not in this article, why? CrashGordon94 (talk) 10:45, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe your friend weas joking with you, as this class does not exist. sherpajohn (talk) 20:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Updates Post Moria
We're almost set for the release of the first Book since Moria was released, but it seems this page is still written as pre-Moria. Needs a fair bit of work on traits and such. sherpajohn (talk) 20:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Warden dps?
I wouldnt classify Warden as a dps but a Tank/support-healer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.160.54.25 (talk) 11:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Siege of Mirkwood
Announced today Sep 4, 2009 that a new free expansion will be coming this fall (2009). Need to add section on it, and add to the header just after mentioning Mines of Moria expansion. http://blastmagazine.com/the-magazine/gaming/gaming-news/2009/09/lord-of-the-rings-online-continues-to-grow-with-siege-of-mirkwood/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.236.0.11 (talk) 18:15, 4 September 2009 (UTC) Added info on Siege of Mirkwood —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.236.0.11 (talk) 18:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I merged the content from the Siege of Mirkwood article to this one, not that there was much to merge. A little late, since today was the day the expansion was released and the AfD that resulted in a merge result occurred back in September, but at least someone got around to doing it. --  At am a  頭 00:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Discrepancies
Does anyone else find this part of the introduction rather confusing? "In China, beta testing started in July 2007, and the game is expected to be released by the end of Q3 2009" The game was released in April 2007 92.10.181.55 (talk) 21:50, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Gold Edition
There is no mention of the "Gold Edition" I just bought here in South Africa. We normally fall under the EU servers and use their editions. Just wondering if any one knows all the differences. 4 golden edition items are: -Bree Horse or pony -Lucky Horseshoe -Scented Candle (pack of 5) -Welcome Mat. Also had 7 day free trial for a buddy and a game manual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.5.3.139 (talk) 23:03, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Lotro goin free to play
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/55156/Lord-Of-The-Rings-Online-Going-Free-To-Play-This-Fall —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.230.129.150 (talk) 13:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

REQUEST SEMI PROTECTION FOR THIS PAGE
Due to the recent vandalism and Trolling.

Martinj63 21:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)Martinj63

Surely that be 'Orcing' hehe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.208.2 (talk) 19:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 23:36, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar → The Lord of The Rings Online – The official website has rebranded the game, the current title refers to a product that is not sold anymore --Relisted. --  tariq abjotu  06:42, 29 June 2013 (UTC) Augsburgbeliever (talk) 02:28, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment aren't there other LotR online games? -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 04:33, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes, however, they are all expansions of this game and only available for purchase within the game. -- Augsburgbeliever (talk) 22:15, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I remember LotR online games that predate this game. I think they were also called LotR-OL? -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 04:25, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If there are any, they're not on Wikipedia, so I think that won't be a problem. I agree with the move. --Lonaowna (talk) 10:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


 * n.b. The article was moved to The Lord of the Rings Online; the difference compared to the nomination is per WP:NCCAPS. --BDD (talk) 23:38, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

places
Can we make a chapter of places —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * I've added a table of locations and game engine improvements.198.161.2.211 (talk) 20:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Article cleanup
Is it just me or does this article need some serious cleaning/trimming? Waaaaay too much WP:GAMEGUIDE information and too many lists. DP 76764 (Talk) 22:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It's just you.198.161.2.211 (talk) 20:08, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Indeed it does need some trimming. And it's very strange that those tables with zones and updates keep getting added.
 * Aisteco (talk) 20:57, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Nothing unusual about unique and relevant info being added. LOTR fans (i.e. the books and movies) would find the info of special interest - far more relevant than listing the story line of the Epic Story, which achives no real purpose and can be found on the various fan sites, wikis etc.198.161.2.211 (talk) 20:31, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Its irrelevant information, that's precisely what doesn't belong on here. Please don't include it again GimliDotNet (talk) 07:58, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Its irrelevant information, that's precisely what doesn't belong on here. Please don't include it again GimliDotNet (talk) 07:58, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Two Things
The first thing I want to ask is should we update the "cover photo"? It's extremely outdated and does not show the game's logo in its current form. In fact, it's from back when the game was known as "The Lord of the Rings: Shadows of Angmar", before it went to a free-to-play subscription model. Also, LOTRO has recently been preparing for and going through some server merges. Some servers are closing, transferring the population of the closed servers to another server. Shouldn't this be documented here? This is not a recent development, though it's still in progress. They are in the process of closing the servers and migrating their population to other servers one at a time. I believe it is a big enough event to be documented here, and it is late enough in the event for it to be done so with little to no inaccuracies. --Super3588 (talk) 07:33, 16 December 2015 (UTC)