Talk:The Lost World (Doyle novel)

Hi whats up?
Who ever put this under Zambo needs to stop, its not cool, seriously.Got118115147 00:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

A Comic?
I know for sure I have read a comic with pretty much the same plot and title when I was younger. Does anyone know about it? [unsigned]
 * Not without any more information- you don't even give a time period. It has spawned a whole genre. Significant comics include: adaptations of the original story in Classics Illustrated; a Gold Key King Kong adaptation; Turok: Son of Stone; Charlton's Konga; a whole sub-genre of Army men vs dinosaurs; and Land of the Lost comics. CFLeon (talk) 21:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds to me like the Classics Illustrated adaptation must be what "unsigned" is talking about as he does say the title was the same, except that I can't find&mdash;via the Grand Comic-Book Database&mdash;that one was ever done. You sure about that one? BTW, I hope you don't mind me fixing some "mechanical" errors in your text; there's no Wiki article about this Konga, and the only LOTL (that link went to a disambig page) comics known to the GCD are based on a 1940s children's radio series, the description of which is quite inapplicable here. --Ted Watson (talk) 20:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

T-Rex in the 1925 film
Before this edit war gets out of hand, I demand to see your evidence for the placing of the T-Rex in the 1925 film version of the Lost World. Ther was a "T-Rex" in the Irwin Allen version (played by a nile monitor with horns) and tyranosaur-like carnosaurs in the 1992 film. But there are NONE in any version of the 1925 film that I have seen--and I own two. -- Majin Gojira 00:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Go here for the film completely, where the T-Rex is evident-The Lost World 1925 FilmGot118115147 00:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Already settled in the Film's own Wiki Entry. Also, linking the entire film is excessive (and the quality of that link is such that one wouldn't be able to see the detials being squabbled over). -- Majin Gojira 02:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

"Spoilers"
I've removed the "spoiler warning" seeing as, this article is so inaccurate, nothing in that section really spoils the book. (I don't know about the movies, but this article isn't about the movies, is it?) 65.23.190.125

Dinosaur Summer
I think that there should be more mention of Dinosaur Summer, since it is -in a sense- a sequel. Also, when will the article for it be made?. I would like to see a summary of that story, as well as a complete bestiary. - 23:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Dinosaur Summer Bestiary:

Real Species:
 * Aepyornis maximus
 * Centrosaurus
 * Ankylosaurus
 * Saltasaurus

Fictional Species:
 * Altovenator ferox - Carnosaur
 * Neostruthiomimus planensis - Ornithomimisaur
 * Eoavis - Avisaur (Based on Archaeopteryx)
 * Stratoraptor velox - Avisaur
 * Lycognathus - Therapsid
 * Dog-lizard - Therapsid
 * Lizard-monkey - Therapsid
 * Lake-devil - Therapsid (Based on Pliosaurs)
 * Communisaur - Therapsid
 * Unidentified Nest-robbing Mammal (Loosely Based on Leptictidium)
 * Hammerhead Amphibian (Based on Diplocaulus & Gerrothorax)
 * Cleaner Ant —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.50.100.37 (talk) 16:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Shouldn't this list be with the Dinosaur Summer article, rather than here? CFLeon (talk) 21:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have merged this list to Dinosaur Summer. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Identity of Dinosaurs in Original
The only dinosaurs actually named in the original novel are Iguanodons (the pterodactyls should be included, probably; I don't think the term had expanded to all pterosaurs at the time). However, it's pretty obvious that Doyle was patterning his fauna after those found in the Wealden Formation and similar formations of Western Europe, reflecting Late JurassicEarly Cretaceous times, so this should be considered. With this in mind, the carnivores are much more likely to be Megalosaurus, rather than Allosaurus. Also, as to the comment that the carnivores are "too small": perhaps they were younger or smaller individuals. Megalosaurs was probably rather smaller than the largest known Allosaurs, which approach Tyrannosaurus-size (Saurophagus). The obvious Stegosaurus is an oddity, we even know the particular picture that Doyle based his description on. CFLeon 23:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Conan Doyle's major source, Lankester's Extinct Animals does use the term pterodactyl to refer to all pterosaurs. Dimorphodon, Pteranodon and Rhamforynchus are mentioned by name. Lankester doesn't mention Allosaurus at all. I do agree that the "too small" comment is misplaced. It seems the height ranges of Megalosaurs (and small Allosaurs) do overlap with horses, when measured to the head rather than the withers. ImmortalWombat (talk) 21:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure the article correctly reflects the book, or at least the online edition of it, in this section. Eg it is not strictly accurate to say that "the Allosaurus that attacks the camp is described as being as large as a horse". What Doyle actually writes is, "It was no higher than a horse, but the dim outline suggested vast bulk and strength." This suggests, to this reader at least, that while it might have been no higher than a horse, it was very much bigger and more powerful. On two legs, with its tail and back held more or less horizontal, a very large animal might well be not more than 6 or 7 feet tall at its tallest point but could still be bigger than a horse. To take a silly comparison, a crocodile is no higher than a dog.


 * As to what the animal is described as, it's identified only tentatively by the characters as "[Challenger:]...Personally, I should pronounce for allosaurus."


 * "Or megalosaurus," said Summerlee.


 * "Exactly. Any one of the larger carnivorous dinosaurs would meet the case." (http://www.online-literature.com/doyle/lost_world/11/)

Tirailleur (talk) 12:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Further Possible Influences
I would like to question the assertion that E.D. Morell and Roger Casement were both models for the character of Edward Malone in The Lost World (1912).

It appears to me that Malone (the narrator) had far more in common with Arthur Conan Doyle's friend, Bertram Fletcher Robinson (1870-1907). Fletcher Robinson had previously acted as 'Assistant Plot Producer' to The Hound of the Baskervilles (1901).

For a more detailed discussion about this point and related matters, I would like to invite readers to visit the link below:



I believe that this is a matter worthy of further consideration.

Regards,

Paul Spiring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.3.77.60 (talk) 15:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC) -->

I think it might be worth listing Richard Burton and Henry Stanly as well, since, if I recall correctly, Gladys specifically tells Malone that she wants a man like one of them and this in part inspires him to go adventuring. Since both were explorers, and Burton a mental giant, going to the very darkest regions of the world, it seems likely that they inspired not only Gladys, but Doyle as well. 75.191.151.75 (talk) 03:42, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * She does indeed — Tor Books edition, November 1993, Chapter 1, p. 5: "Think of Richard Burton! When I read his wife's life of him I could so understand her love. And Lady Stanley! Did you ever read the wonderful last chapter of that book about her husband?" Whether the other follows is something I feel should be further discussed here before including in the article. --Tbrittreid (talk) 21:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

What link goes to what...
Considering it was written eighty years earlier and more notable, I really believe that The Lost World (novel) should direct to this article, and the other novel of the same name should be linked from The Lost World (Michael Crichton)  69.225.88.38 (talk) 23:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There are those that will say the age of Doyle's book works against the claim of "more notable" but I agree and believe that it deserve the higher priority in subtitling. --Ted Watson (talk) 00:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Radio 4 (2011) changes Summerlee's sex
In the Radio 4 version (2011) Professor Summerlee has undergone a narrative modifying sex change, acquired the first name, Diana. 'She' is played by the actress, Jasmine Hyde. Ms. Hyde follows in the footsteps of previous actors playing Professor Summerlee: Arthur Hoyt, Richard Haydn, Leo Marion, Carleton Hobbs, David Warner, Kenneth Brannagh, Michael Sinelnikoff, Sean Connery and James Fox, though perhaps with a pair of stiletto heels in her hand luggage.

This sex change to one of the main characters might have been construed as political correctness, were it not for use of Ms. Summerlee as a love interest, as illustrated, for example, by the narrator's musing about her...
 * "Her limbs against mine, her warm breath on my cheek, the curve of her, only felt for a small second, remembered for a life time." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.213.174 (talk) 15:13, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 18:40, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Reception?
Any reports on its reception by critics and the public? Valetude (talk) 21:41, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Not a "Conan Doyle" novel
The author's surname was simply "Doyle". This needs to be moved.--Khajidha (talk) 22:29, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've moved it and started to clean up the links.--Khajidha (talk) 22:56, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You're right. Good catch—I had assumed his last name was Conan Doyle. And I don't think there's another Doyle that could plausibly be confused with the author. Theodore Ehrenborg (talk) 00:54, 4 April 2020 (UTC)