Talk:The Lotus Eaters (band)

Fair use rationale for Image:Lotus Eaters Cover.jpg
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Fair use rationale for Image:The Lotus Eaters.jpg
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Fair use rationale for Image:Lotus Eaters - First Picture Of You excerpt.ogg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Lotus Eaters Cover.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

In response to the previous comments, I have begun editing the entry for The Lotus Eaters and am attempting to keep things neutral and factual. It has taken me 2 days to become familiar with the protocols of Wikipedia, but the need to cite, whilst is to be commended (I am a professional academic), is not always possible if there are no published articles about bands. Therefore, surely a personal perspective from a band member is preferable to someone who does not know the band's history? With regard to some of the comments below regarding 'hyperbole', I take issue with this. As music is an abstract artform, I consider it reasonable to describe music using language that reflects a phenomenological response to it. Adopting this approach, from the field of philosophy, is a valid academic position, posited by Maurice Merleau-Ponty in his thesis, The Phenomenology of Perception. Description, albeit from a subjective perspective, remains a valid tool in communicating ideas and perceptions about sound, unless an encyclopeidia can only stick to musicology and notation? When it comes to describing sound, what constitutes fact? I consider there to be so much more to listening to music than the identification of a sequence of notes...

Jemlotus1 (talk) 09:33, 1 April 2016 (UTC)Dr Jem KellyJemlotus1 (talk) 09:33, 1 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi again Jem. I didn't make the hyperbole comment, but what I think he was referring to is that Wikipedia does not allow "reviews" by editors or in fact, "describing sound." It's not meant as a review site and editors are expressly forbidden to insert their own point of view or take poetic license. Basic facts of musical style are fine, but any more complex description should instead be communicated, as in an encyclopedia, by quotes from sources. Take a peek at some other articles on well-known albums and you will get a better sense of what I mean. This might also help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Describing_aesthetic_opinions Thanks. Greg Fasolino (talk) 13:57, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Present wording
This article presently reeks of fancruft, and unsourced opinionated descriptions. One example is ''The Lotus Eaters songs emanated from an intuitive, working class desire to express emotion abstractly through melody, which is always a knife-edge proposition, but one shared by Liverpool contemporaries, The Pale Fountains. Peter's voice was and remains very gentle, soulfully expressed, but without the mask of R&B.''

Can someone attempt to tone down the hyperbole, inject a neutral point of view and, perhaps most importantly, add some sources. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Please see What Wikipedia is not if you are unsure of its stance. Thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:19, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, this article is embarrassingly poor. Sadly, I don't have the time to do a rewrite...partly because this needs SO much work, it's a week-long job! 70.27.1.73 (talk) 01:56, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe half an hour.--Michig (talk) 17:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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