Talk:The MDNA Tour/Archive 1

North American leg
Mexico is not part of South America, but of North America. This needs to be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Estygias (talk • contribs) 17:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Tour Name
The official tour merchandise currently being sold by Live Nation cites the Tour as being named 'MDNA 2012'. The title of the page should reflect this.

According to Madonna.com, the second performance in Vancouver is being performed at the BC Place Stadium, not the Rogers Arena. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.102.78 (talk) 17:58, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I think the tour is called The Madonna World Tour. It seems to be popping up everywhere. —Sticky&#38;Sweet12 (talk) 09:41, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe that is the title, that's what confirmation e-mails are saying when you pre-order tickets from her website. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 01:58, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It is the official title of the tour. I'm not going to get into an edit war over it though. 76.98.223.32 (talk) 06:31, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

A press release called it The Madonna 2012 World Tour. Israell (talk) 13:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Its officially called Madonna 2012 World Tour on madonna.com, they were apparently going to call it MDNA World Tour but there maybe problems in some countries using that name for a live performance due to the drugs reference (Rumour). This page needs to be moved to the official name.  2 0 1 2  Communicate|Nicely 14:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I have a problem with that, seeing as how the tour is also confirmed to take place in 2013. Madonna ALWAYS has these amazing names for her tours, it seems as if they just haven't officially announced it yet. Most places are just referring it as her "2012 world tour". — Status  &#x7B;talk contribs  01:00, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so I read up a bit about it, and apparently it doesn't have an official name. I say we just go by Madonna World Tour as the common name for the tour, assuming next year its also gonna be promoted as "World Tour 2013". — Status  &#x7B;talk contribs  01:37, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

There are at least 2 errors on Madonna's official website. It shows her playing Vancouver, BC US (first error, BC is a province in CANADA, and is absolutely NOT in the USA) at Rogers Arena on Sept. 29. It goes on to Sept 30 and has her playing at BC Place Stadium. Ticketmaster contradicts this and shows Rogers Arena as the venue for both shows. It would be safe to assume that Ticketmaster is correct as they handle the ratio of tickets to stage set-up and would know the actual venue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boytoy77 (talk • contribs) 00:30, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Why is the Kiev date in there. It has not been announced and not official. Someone please remove. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boytoyville (talk • contribs) 03:36, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Seeing as how her website only calls it the "2012 World Tour" I think the page has to be moved to that location. — Status  &#x7B;talk contribs  18:31, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * According to Dutch website RTL the world tour is called "Girl Gone Wild Tour". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.113.241.224 (talk) 10:32, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Madonna confirmed the name of the tour on Twitter during her first chat session and confirmed it again during the secongd session. Her manager, Guy Oseary, just tweeted: "Going to MDNA rehearsals now.. have a good day.." Guess it's another confirmation. Israell (talk) 20:40, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The tour's official name is The MDNA Tour according to Live Nation and tour poster in Argentina. Bluesatellite (talk) 11:52, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

The posters and tour books say: The MDNA Tour 80.135.172.47 (talk) 14:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

In that case, we should erase the word "The" from The Virgin Tour too... right? The official name for this tour it's The MDNA Tour, and that's how it appears on all the official material. --190.46.229.227 (talk) 19:42, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Stade de France
The Stade de France is not in Paris. —109.15.53.218 (talk) 21:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * So be bold and edit the article accordingly. Zarcadia (talk) 11:58, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The article is semi-protected. — Status  &#x7B;talk contribs  19:14, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Moving page
Can we keep stop moving this page until there is official confirmation of the tour title please. The last move to Madonna 2012 was completely unnecessary and nothing official has been confirmed, it was only mentioned in a round-about way in the article it was referenced from. Madonna herself said in an interview on Sirius radio that she "keeps changing the title", so until we get it confirmed can we please keep it on the common name 2012 World Tour. Thanks  j w a d....  blah | blah | blah 16:29, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Songs?
Shall we start putting up a list of confirmed songs such as "Girl Gone Wild," "Revolver" and "Gang Bang"? Or is it too early and better wait for the tour to start? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.66.83 (talk) 00:11, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Its too early as setlist change. We shall wait until the tour starts or we get a setlist from the official tourbook, if its released prior to the tour starting.  j w a d....  blah | blah | blah 17:21, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

MadonnaChile claims this is the real deal.

Don’t continue reading if you don’t want any spoilers!

INTRO (Kalakan singing, gregorian music and religion scenes)

Girl Gone Wild (chained Madonna falls to the ground and start praying while the Material Girl dancers appear)

Gang Bang (Madonna turns bad and dangerous, she shoots her dancers)

Revolver (Mix by David Guetta, Lil Wayne in the backdrop)

Papa Dont Preach (Violin sound,and Madonna changes again)

BEST FRIEND (Interlude, Heartbeat mix)

Hung Up (2012 version, mix with Love Spent)

Love Spent (Acoustic version with kalakan)

I Dont Give A (Guitar)

Express Yourself (Slackiling; Electro version)

Give Me All Your Luvin (Special MDNA Remix)

JUSTIFY MY LOVE (Interlude- controversial video; will be awesome, be prepared)

Open Your Heart (Kalakan remix) Masterpiece (Madonna in the middle of the stage, romantic backdrop) Im Sinner (Mix with Cyberraga) Vogue (Superbowl full version)

NOBODY KNOWS ME (Mega dance interlude)

Turn Up The Radio (album version)

Bedtime Story (2012 Version)

Like a Virgin (Madonna singing with a piano)

Some Girls (only girls in this number)

Im Addicted (Big Party on the stage)

CELEBRATION ENCORE

Like a Prayer (Short version but unforgettable)

Everybody (dance mix with Holiday)

Celebration (Grand Closing) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.46.99.167 (talk) 16:32, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The real setlist is the one below - but it should not be added to the article before the tour starts or we get a setlist from the tour book.

Act of Contrition (video introduction) / Girl Gone Wild / Revolver / Gang Bang / Papa Don't Preach / Hung Up / I Don't Give A / Best Friend (video interlude) / Express Yourself / Give Me All Your Luvin' / Turn Up the Radio / Open Your Heart / Masterpiece / Justify My Love (video interlude) / Vogue / Candy Shop / Human Nature / Like a Virgin / Nobody Knows Me (video interlude) / I'm Addicted / I'm a Sinner / Like a Prayer / Celebration --MsigDK (talk) 10:53, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Setlist from Tel Aviv yesterday:

83.250.130.133 (talk) 10:01, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Act of Contrition (video intro)
 * 2) Girl Gone Wild (contains excerpts from "Material Girl" and "Give It 2 Me")
 * 3) Revolver
 * 4) Gang Bang
 * 5) Papa Don't Preach
 * 6) Hung Up (contains excerpts from "Act of Contrition")
 * 7) I Don't Give A
 * 8) Best Friend - Video Interlude (contains excerpts from "Heartbeat")
 * 9) Express Yourself (contains excerpts from "Born This Way" by Lady Gaga and "She's Not Me")
 * 10) Give Me All Your Luvin' (Just Blaze Remix)
 * 11) Turn Up the Radio (Leo Zero Remix)
 * 12) Open Your Heart
 * 13) Masterpiece
 * 14) Justify My Love - Video Interlude
 * 15) Vogue
 * 16) Candy Shop (contains excerpts from "Erotica")
 * 17) Human Nature
 * 18) Like a Virgin (piano version)
 * 19) Nobody Knows Me - Video Interlude
 * 20) I'm Addicted
 * 21) I'm a Sinner (contains excerpts from "Cyberraga")
 * 22) Like a Prayer
 * 23) Celebration (contains excerpts from "Girl Gone Wild")

Opening acts
Quick question guys, do you think it would be better if we moved the opening acts from the 'Tour Dates' section to it's own section like we have done with the Sticky & Sweet Tour and other previous tours? —Sticky&#38;Sweet12 (talk) 13:10, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not at all. I've said this many times already. The support acts depend on each show. S&S mostly had the same for each leg; while this tour doesn't. It is a perfectly acceptable way to show them. See, for example U2 360 Tour. — Statυs  (talk) 02:34, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Fake Tour
Is it really appropriate to have information about a fake tour that was circulated by a fansite in this article? Paul75 (talk) 12:01, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Israel May 29, date
This show was cancelled according to Madonna.com. The only show scheduled in Tel Aviv is on May 31, 2012. This date needs to be delete from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.138.105.185 (talk) 17:59, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it should be mentioned that Madonna had announced a second show in Tel Aviv on 31 May, which was cancelled when the opening show was rescheduled from 29 May.--MsigDK (talk) 10:46, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Article is Move Protected for 2 weeks
I have protected this page from moving for the next 2 weeks due to move warring by multiple parties. Any admin is welcome to override this without further permission if they feel it is needed, although post notification is appreciated. This action should not be taken as an endorsement of the current name. I would direct all parties to discuss the article name HERE at the talk page, using both reliable sources and keeping WP:MOS in mind. I will not be participating or watching, and only posting to inform all interest parties of the reasons. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;   &copy;  00:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Set list
There are plenty videos of her performing the songs from the tour, why isn't that reliable? Alecsdaniel (talk) 17:24, 31 May 2012 I Agree that makes no sense. Wikipedia is annoying. Post the damn set list already! It is confirmed damn it!

The official tour book refers to the intro as "Kalakan Gregorian Chant Virgin Mary Intro". The song performed after "Vogue" is called "The Erotic Candy Shop".--MsigDK (talk) 08:46, 3 July 2012 (UTC)


 * There is inconsistency in the setlist with regards to the use of the words 'excerpts' and 'elements'. Which should it be?MysticMuffin (talk) 16:19, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Samples, versions
The version of "Give Me All Your Luvin'" on the tour it's the Just Blaze Remix. Also on "Justify My Love" there's elements from "Waiting", a song off her 1992 Erotica album.

Citation problems with set list
The current reference for the set list is "MDNA Tour Opening Night – Live Report from Tel Aviv" from the fansite Madonnarama. There is no author listed, just two photographers named. The source is therefore not reliable, per WP:RS. I understand the Madonnarama website to be self-published, per WP:SPS.

The Madonnarama set list is bare bones, so it does not support the additions of parenthetical statements such as "contains elements of 'Material Girl' along with excerpts from 'Give It 2 Me'" which were added to the song "Girls Gone Wild". The source, such as it is, only says "Madonna appears on stage and performs 'Girl Gone Wild'". It does not say there were elements of "Material Girl" or "Give It 2 Me". I have therefore added the maintenance template about original research, a practice forbidden by the Wikipedia policy WP:No original research. Binksternet (talk) 18:03, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Tour name
The tour name is The MDNA Tour - source: posters, tour book and merchandice.--Red-Blue-White (talk) 23:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've said before and tried to move it several times, but a user < > insists to name the page based on his point of view. He even didn't bother to discuss here. The tour's official name is "The MDNA Tour", according to Live Nation official site, tour poster, tour book. I don't want to make edit warring anymore. I've given up, let him do whatever he wants. Bluesatellite (talk) 02:20, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 June 2012
The following line is incorrect: "Like a Virgin" (contains excerpts from Abel Korzeniowski’s "Evgeni’s Waltz")

Please change it to: "Like a Virgin Waltz" (combined with Abel Korzeniowski’s "Evgeni’s Waltz" from W.E.)

Reason: "excerpts" is incorrect. Madonna sings the melody from "Like a Virgin" on top of "Evgeni’s Waltz". The resulting new song's title is "Like a Virgin Waltz".

99.59.234.100 (talk) 01:22, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't even know what to say to this, except "no". — Statυs  (talk) 09:22, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Source: http://www.abelkorzeniowski.com/like-a-virgin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.59.234.100 (talk) 18:12, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Interludes/Acts in the setlist
the interludes in the setlist are on the end of each act, but the interlude is the beginning of every new act in the show. the interludes should be write in the beginning of the acts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.182.19.167 (talk) 11:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Not according to the source. — Statυs  (talk) 16:33, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * An interlude is between acts. See entr'acte. Binksternet (talk) 15:16, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request on Commercial
Madonna did not sell 11,000 tickets for her first show in Abu Dhabi, that is actually not said in the reference included. She did not sell 19,000 for both shows as stated in this section, and it is not listed in the references included either. Madonna sold 25,000 tickets per show according to emirates247.com This section should reflect real facts. Thank you. Frozenpower (talk) 10:12, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Reception
The article should include that the tour has received universal acclaim from critics and commentators. A major publication even went as far as to mention, "it is the greatest show on earth". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thefaithmonster1 (talk • contribs) 01:38, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —  Jeff G. ツ  (talk)   01:41, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

http://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/music/the-greatest-show-on-earth --Thefaithmonster1 (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Why is it that whenever people actually have valid points such as this with sources for Wikipedia the editors never/rarely respond and if they do its months later but when their points are ludicrous they get an instant reply? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.181.62.167 (talk) 19:07, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't really know but ts annoying. I know of other entries that have been ignored. --Thefaithmonster1 (talk) 20:37, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Beginning of the rehearsals
in the article is may 1st the begin of the rehearsals. yes in the nassau coliseum, but the rehearsals has been before in NYC and began so much earlier! february or march is the official beginning.

87.182.37.241 (talk) 11:22, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah that's right. The staged rehearsals began May 1st but they were rehearsing already in March, I think. 83.250.130.133 (talk) 19:23, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Conan O'Brien documentary
Hi, I deleted the section "Broadcasts and recordings" because there is no proof of a Conan O'Brien documentary. Some online newspapers said that, but I also read that he is has a humoristic and a satirical show... Why whould he make a documentary about Madonna? Plus, he made a fake documentary during Madonna's halftime show, I think there is nothing more... Now if you have official information about the 5 videos that where shoot during the first show in Tel Aviv, put them in the article.

Box office data
Someone keeps adding box office information to this article. As of the most recent Billboard release (in the week ending June 16, 2012), Madonna's tour has not had its info divulged on the boxscore chart, so the numbers posted are unverifiable. The information has already been removed once, only to be posted again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.42.4.132 (talk • contribs)


 * I took it out because the cited source did not say anything about box office returns. When we get a reliable source for profits from the tour we can bring that in. Binksternet (talk) 22:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Reviews
This show is extremely critically acclaimed and has been noted as being "the greatest show on earth"

http://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/music/the-greatest-show-on-earth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.181.62.167 (talk) 19:41, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, the reviiews reported in the article are limited and old, and need updating. A series of reviews saying it's the greatest show on earth available, plus, there has been so much media coverage of the tour that it really needs extending. As to the first review, it should noew be clear that the show is a parody of Dante's Divine Comedy, and references to this poem are consistent throughout the show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.31.14.253 (talk) 19:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Please add this review to the article http://www.heinekenmusic.ie/reviews/gigs/6155/madonna-aviva-stadium/ MysticMuffin (talk) 16:05, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Concert synopsis
Can someone add a complete concert synopsis? I will see the show in South America, it's still a long stime until december... 87.182.5.19 (talk) 09:48, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Someone want to write a complete synopsis about the show??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.182.27.97 (talk) 18:07, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

More info
Here may some more detailed information and feedback regarding her controversy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/05/marine-le-pen-madonna-swastika

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/06/madonna-highlight-horror-le-pen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/13/madonna-nipples-hands-off

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2012/jul/05/butcher-babies-rockbitch-tribe-8

(SuperCell3000 (talk) 22:24, 5 July 2012 (UTC))

Can we remove or revamp the reception section. In the last part it says that she has been criticized for singing many songs from the MDNA album but this is called the MDNA TOUR, so the tour is supporting the album and such a critique would seem invalid--98.149.0.62 (talk) 20:57, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Is there ever going to be a reply? (72.219.42.115 (talk) 23:53, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

nope, apparently only negative stuff gets a swift reply, positive or counterclaims never do.--98.149.0.62 (talk) 23:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Australian leg cancelled
As per the Sydney Morning Herald, Madonna has cancelled the Australian leg of the tour again. Damn bitch! Someone insert this in the article. :( 202.54.176.14 (talk) 07:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No venues or dates were ever announced, so it cannot be deemed cancellation. It was only a proposal to go to Australia, still nothing official had been announced by her manager or Madonna. Please wait for confirmation that its not going ahead, not from a "LIve Nation spokesperson". The tour may still be extended in 2013!  j w a d....  blah | blah | blah 15:21, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Controversy1
Controversy about the 1st gun section in Edinburgh in connection with the Denver Cinema Massacre one day before

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/07/22/pop-superstar-madonna-ignores-gun-ban-as-she-plays-scots-gig-86908-23911281/
 * Shortened section header. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 08:30, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Commercial performance
Here, is written that the portuguese date isn't sold out, but when you check the box office score, you'll see that it has been reported as sold out. Then, it has never been reported that London and Edinburgh weren't sold out. Please attend the official boxscores, before wiriting only false things. So, in my opinion these falses information have to be cancelled. (If you notice some errors in my english, sorry, i'm italian) Gabriele Petrocchi, 12:32 , 23 July 2012 —Preceding undated comment added 10:35, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Billboard provides accurate numbers from live nation. The newspapers have no such knowledge.--98.149.0.62 (talk) 05:09, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Billboard are just reporting what they are handed by Live Nation, who have an obvious interest in boosting the idea that Madonna (and other top names they sell) are always making gold by clicking their fingers. Many of her gigs in Europe obviously did not sell out, at least not in the sense of the venue having been fully sold on all seating space that could normally be used after the area they needed for the stage had been deducted. Gothenburg, Rome, Brussels and Copenhagen, for example - those stadiums can easily hold tens of thousands more people at concerts than the number of tickets sold for Madge's shows there.


 * It could be that Billboard, Live Nation and others are using the words "sold out" in a different sense these days. "Fully sold out" in their language seems to mean that the promoter put on sale the number of tickets they estimated would be sold and that number did get sold, without any link to the actual capacity of the venue. And of course the number put on the market could be adjusted up and down, all the way up to the gig date. But why should Wikipedia accept this sleazy and misleading usage? 83.254.151.33 (talk) 02:25, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Live Nation's practice is an events industry standard. Before ticket sales for an event even begin, the promoter reports to Billboard how many tickets they expect to sell. If that figure is met, the event is reported as "sold out", regardless of the actual capacity of the venue.--MsigDK (talk) 09:21, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, and that's obviously a rule that's easy to tweak to your own advantage. Anyone know how long it's been the practice to stick to that procedure even when the "expected to sell" figure is several thousands below the actual seating capacity of the venue, after having cut away those seating spaces that can't be used because of the setup and direction of the stage? Anyway, in the seventies or eighties it wouldn't have been a feasible trick because the media would instantly and loudly have reported it, before or after the show, and it would have backfired on artist and concert arranger. These days the media are a lot more eager to please the concert venture people and star publicists.Strausszek (talk) 12:05, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Controversy 2
Controversy: Poland protest against Madonna and MDNA Tour / Front national actions against Madonna http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/madonna-poland-wwii-warsaw_n_1683541.html

http://world.time.com/2012/07/16/why-madonnas-swastika-swipe-may-actually-help-marine-le-pen/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.182.23.137 (talk) 22:38, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Shortened section name. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 08:31, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

DELETE OR REWRITE
in the shooting in colorado section this part is misleading as it refers to it as laws about guns when in fact its about the curfew laws not anything relating to gun laws. Please correct and remove from section as it has no relevance in that particular section.

"During the concert, she expressed her joy for first concert in the country, saying she could be onstage for three hours. She then joked, "Due to your laws here they might pull the plug on me so if they cut us off suddenly, write to your local MP". --98.149.0.62 (talk) 05:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Cleaning
This entire page needs some cleaning. Some of the sources do not match to what is being stated. One example is the shows not being sold out and then gives a newspaper article that makes no such mention, plus even if it did, shouldn't we wait until official numbers come in? I think this page needs to be locked to protect from Lady Gaga fans who keep trying add nothing but negative articles from unreliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.149.0.62 (talk) 20:14, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Where a source fails to support the cited information, it should be removed. However, if it does support the information, in the cited case on the subject of commercial performance, a third party source is sufficient for it to be listed, and we do not need to wait till the official numbers are reported, which may or may not happen. The page has already been protected, but there is no proof that any negative, sourced information added to the article is from 'Lady Gaga fans who keep trying add nothing but negative articles from unreliable sources', unless their contribs page clearly shows them adding positive information on Lady Gaga pages and negative ones to Madonna pages. Please refrain from generalising and assumption. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MysticMuffin (talk • contribs) 20:14, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

a big one was about shows not being sold out and the source itself didn't contain such information, just a review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.149.0.62 (talk) 01:11, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Please refer to the comment about the relevance of info. What are the alleged other 'big one(s)'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MysticMuffin (talk • contribs) 09:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I am inferring from the lack of a reply that user at IP 98.149.0.62's suggestion that there was more than one 'big one' (referring to alleged Lady Gaga fan-generated misinformation) was a mere exaggeration and therefore incorrect.MysticMuffin (talk) 00:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Constant blanking of sourced info in Commercial secion
This page was protected after repeated edit warring where the relevant, sourced info regarding the tour's commercial performance is consistently blanked without reason. The tour sold out in Paris and Birmingham but failed to sell out in Portugal, London and Edinburgh.

Please re-instate or debate why it should not be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MysticMuffin (talk • contribs) 19:52, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

it sold out in Edinburgh and in London so those articles were wrong as predicted and the source for those articles didn't contain any information stating that they didnt sell out.--98.149.0.62 (talk) 05:46, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

- The article from the Financial Times clearly states "Ticket sales have been slower in the UK: Hyde Park wasn’t sold out" while the Scotsman's reivew began with "WITH thousands of unsold seats impeding their business, the ticket touts began plying their trade early outside Haymarket Station in Edinburgh’s West End last night." Which part of these 2 cited, 3rd party sources "didn't contain any information stating that they didnt sell out."? MysticMuffin (talk) 10:39, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

London,Edinburgh, Birmingham and Coimbra were sold out, look at the official boxscore. There's no reason to write these false things. Gabriele Petrocchi 14:26, 26 july 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I think we should just wait until officials numbers are posted, before rushing and posting info that is pure speculation. Those articles were proven inaccurate --98.149.0.62 (talk) 23:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This seems to have become a constant talking point surrounding the tour, not just at Wikipedia but in the wider media, both magazines, newspapers and social media. In some places no one - except the spokesmen of Live Nation, who are hardly impartial, and their parrots in the media - is contesting that she didn't sell out the entire venue. Gothenburg and Copenhagen for instance. Brussels has been reported to have had around fifteen thousand empty seats which really dampened the atmosphere of being there for many who attended the show.


 * But the trouble is, I think, that Live Nation and some other promoting people are sometimes using the words "sold out" in a sense of their own. It seems they really mean "we sold the number we have put on sale for the venue" without any connection whatsoever to how many the place can really hold when the stage has been put up (it might only be half the possible number, and can even be adjusted during the sales period). This is far removed from what "the venue sold out" really means in ordinary language. And of course the idea is to make the public believe that she does sell out every single stadium and every tour date.Strausszek (talk) 19:03, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Good points! I do see that this tour, compared to her last, has seen seen lower attendance #s, it could be attributed to not having a smash single with this album. But, I believe that it was a better choice to do stadium's on her part with a few thousand seats empty, than an arena completely sold out over 2-3 days. The numbers show that she is still doing pretty good though.--98.149.0.62 (talk) 23:42, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Is she still 'doing well'? It is an undefined question with qualification. The reported numbers do indicate that she is 'doing pretty well' as far as recorded ticket sales, but various news reports have stated that the actual number of attendees at several venues was lower than capacity, not to mention several venues where audience members walked out early. Clearly, cited box office data should remain, but there should be at least a mention of contradiction from the several sourced reports across various tour dates in the article.MysticMuffin (talk) 00:54, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Commercially it may have been a rational choice by her to pick big stadiums and try to minimize the number of nights - one night at a big venue instead of three at a somewhat smaller one - and to have elevated ticket prices, even compared to other top-rank acts. She has a fanbase who are often prepared to pay top dollar to get to see her live. Neil Young has a very devoted fanbase too but i don't think he would have found it possible to set ticket prices in her league without losing big time. There's no doubt of course that she is making a lot of money.


 * But judging from the press and comment she has got, I think the "one big spot each time, even if it means many thousands of empty seats" policy tends to create a lukewarm atmosphere around the gigs, plus it was probably unwise to plug her new album so hard, to the exclusion of older tracks and hits that most of her fanbase wants to hear. The new album isn't a major hit album and some of her fans are finding it rather cold and streamlined. In a few years time I think this tour is not going to be remembered as one of her stronger moments, there's too much of a feeling that she doesn't care about how to present her music anymore, and I think the controversies and "cheap moments" is what many people wil recall over time.Strausszek (talk) 01:44, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Noting that the tour isn't sold-out would be wrong, since Live Nation provides accurate numbers and would be in the position to actually know. Live Nation is a publicly traded company and must report these numbers to investors.--Thefaithmonster1 (talk) 05:59, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Uh, are we required to include every boast, overstatement or (as it may turn out some time later) lie that Facebook, Wal-Mart or some fashion company make about their own business just because their shares are traded at the stock exchange and so they are formally required/supposed to "stick to the truth"?? And it's not enough that they have managed to feed it to Billboard or some newspaper (or back to their own accounts room); these days journalists are quite easy to buy and influence for a big company, either directly or because editing rooms and bosses want to remain in good standing with promoters and star publicists, and will effectively let the reporter know "you give us an article that looks like it's showing it off this way I tell you, or you may not have a job in a few weeks time".Strausszek (talk) 11:48, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Guns on stage
Please fix section that alleges Madonna was warned by Scottish police. It clearly states she was not warned before hand as stated in section. http://www.eonline.com/news/333035/madonna-not-facing-charges-for-concert-gun-play-but-what-about-the-swastikas--98.149.0.62 (talk) 23:33, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Paris Controversy (July, 26)
The controversy about the Paris concert from July 26, need a own section. And the the Liz Rosenberg statment must be published into the article and of course, that there is a confirmation that was Pro Marine Le Pen people in the audience!

Liz Rosenberg has released the following statement about the controversy that sparkled from Madonna's intimate gig at the Olympia:

"Madonna's Paris club show was planned as her heartfelt thank you to France which she expressed at the start of her show. Despite a grueling concert tour, she desperately wanted to perform for her fans in an intimate setting at the historic Olympia as a means to honor her love for French artists, French cinema and a tribute to France's long history of welcoming and inspiring artists, authors, painters, poets and minorities from other countries over the years.

The show was not billed as her full MDNA concert and tremendous effort was made to keep the ticket prices reasonable ($100 for 2000 floor seats) and keep them strictly for her fans.

''The show cost Madonna close to a million dollars to produce. She has done a handful of club dates in the past and they were never more than 45 minutes. And by the way, she put on a fabulous show which was streamed for millions of fans around the world."'' 87.182.32.8 (talk) 11:11, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Liz Rosenberg is Madonna's publicist. Her accredited PR spokesperson, that is. Obviously not near unbiased.Strausszek (talk) 11:38, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I know who Liz Rosenberg is. Unbiased? That's not the point. She said this about the Paris controversy and that is the point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.182.32.8 (talk) 13:34, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * WP isn't simply a patchwork of "this person said Clapton is God and this other person said he sucks balls", or the like. The statement has to have some kind of relevancy apart from having been made. Strausszek 15:06, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * There is massive blanking of sourced negative reviews from 3rd party sources regarding her Paris shows. Please reinstate them.MysticMuffin (talk) 15:18, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Paris Olympia Show Controversy Citation...
In that section it says,

"The DST subsequently reported that "that a disturbance was planned" by supporters of Marine Le Pen as well as fans of Lady Gaga who were "asking each other to post messages everywhere to say they can confirm Madonna is a liar since they were at the show.""

And the source that's next to it links to nothing and no source has said anything about Lady Gaga fans making this up. I think it should be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThisGuyTony (talk • contribs) 03:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The link page triggered a spam filter and is currently ebing reviewed for inclusion on the article page. MysticMuffin (talk) 16:25, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The San Francisco Examiner used to be reliable source but it has gone to the dogs. There is no print newspaper anymore, just an online component. It is now a blog host for any kind of article, written without editorial oversight. The article you want to cite, "Madonna Paris concert reports proven false by French version of FBI and fans", by Edward Daily, is not going to get approved. Daily is not such an acknowledged expert observer that his article rises above the blog context. Binksternet (talk) 15:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Moscow/St. Petersburg Concerts Controversies
I think, this should be in the article. The european newspapers have daily reports about the controversy of this concerts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.182.19.65 (talk) 09:29, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Controversy
Also, here are some things to add. She is currently being sued over promoting Gay Rights in Russia

http://www.todayonline.com/CultureAndLifestyle/EDC120819-0000061/Madonna-sued-S$13-million-for-supporting-gays

(SuperCell3000 (talk) 20:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC))

Dublin date
NO WAY was that 100% full their are clearly videos of tons of room the media said 50-75% full — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.111.246 (talk) 20:48, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

yes, but I think they only released and sold 33k tickets instead of the actual capacity of the stadium. I believe this is done to save time and money, one half full stadium is better than 2 arena shows. --98.149.0.62 (talk) 22:25, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

About Kalakan
Hey guys, if I'm not wrong, there's no article about the Kalakan Trio on Wikipedia! So, if anyone know something about them... Will.zero (talk) 15:25, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Clean up
The critical reception needs to be cleaned up a bit, its a mess. Also, it would be a good idea to change it to "positive reviews" as she has only received a 2-3 negative reviews and the positive reviews outweigh the negative ones. here are a few positive ones i found.

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/music/madonna_scores_at_yankee_stadium_vUNQvhnqU9ADJnIzjy1gHM

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-09-07/news/33656365_1_madonna-show-moves-guy-ritchie

http://www.telegram.com/article/20120905/NEWS/120909815/0#.UEejy_W3Sxs.twitter

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-201208291600--tms--lizsmittr--x-a20120830-20120830,0,3592268.story

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/30/arts/music/in-newest-spectacle-madonna-morphs-but-refuses-to-give-in.html?_r=1

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/top_three/madonna-tops-her-own-theatrics-again-with-creative-show-at/article_0442b340-ffba-11e1-a5db-001a4bcf887a.html --Thefaithmonster1 (talk) 05:58, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

What happened with "Controversy" section???
WTF!? Where are the other controversies? Who has delete the other stuff? What happend with the Istanbul nipple, what happened with the violence criticism in UK!? My good, it was a good section in this article, but now? It's stupid if one user delete the facts and informations!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.182.27.73 (talk) 16:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

i know that the Edinburg guns controversy where she was warned by police was inaccurate. the source is above somewhere --Thefaithmonster1 (talk) 07:03, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

MDNA Tour by numbers
This should be definately part of the article, from madonna.com!

Madonna's MDNA tour has gotten plenty of ink for what the pop performer has done onstage. But while bared breasts, firearms, religion, Nazi imagery and odd presidential endorsements have dominated conversations about the tour, Pop & Hiss is more interested in what keeps the show together. Before her latest world tour stops at Staples Center on Wednesday and Thursday nights, we checked in with Team Madonna to gather some facts about what has gone into the show, which reportedly could become one of the top 10 biggest tours of all time.

Here’s an (updates) breakdown of Madonna’s MDNA show by the numbers:

2.1 million fans are expected to have seen the show by the time it wraps in South America.

72,000 fans saw Madonna’s sold-out show in Quebec, the largest attendance of the entire tour.

16,630 miles of road were traveled during the U.S. leg alone.

700 wardrobe pieces are required for all the performers onstage.

410 bottles of aspirin have been used, so far, by the 130-person crew.

374 is the weight, in tons, of Madonna’s massive stage.

116 minutes of approximate stage time for the Material Girl, unless she adds "Holiday" to the night's setlist.

90 speakers are hung onstage.

89 shows in total in 28 different countries -- 18 of those stops were in cities where Madonna had never performed.

29 trucks carry the tour’s production (36 will be required for the South American leg).

24 guitars are used by Madonna and her band each night.

16 different salad dressings at required by the crew for nightly craft services.

15 buses to take the show from city to city.

9 drummers soar in the air during “Express Yourself,” with another 9 on the floor.

7 songs from Madonna's latest album, "MDNA," are on the setlist.

4 customized microphones in gold, silver, chrome and black are used by Madonna during the show.

3 physical therapists are on hand for the 22 dancers.

1 son of Madonna, 12-year-old Rocco, also performs in the show.

From the LA Times

Technical staging and lighting information?
Would this be of interest? I read a long article about technical aspects of the staging and lighting but I'm not seeing any real section devoted to this in the article. Thoughts? Insomesia (talk) 12:40, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Open your heart dedicated to Britney in Rio?
This is false, guys. Take a look at the video, after 11:00. She doesn't say anything about Britney Spears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Zzn4O7b1M -- Prima.philosophia D.C 00:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Reception section
Can we condense this section or should it be this long? I feel it is way to long and think it would be appropriate to shorten it. The reviews have been overwhelmingly 'Positive' with a 3-4 'negative/mixed' ones thus far, so it wont change much from now but be a bit shorter. --Thefaithmonster1 (talk) 09:48, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

PSY
Korean rapper, PSY and Madonna performed a mash up of Gangnam Style and Give It To Me at Madison Square Garden Nov. 13, 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.21.143 (talk) 09:37, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Stage setting

 * Interesting article for development here. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 03:08, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Another one on the Sound systems. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 05:21, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Controversies - important addition
please add the following to Controversies section(important, and different from most associated with her performance):

According to Najwyższa Izba Kontroli(NIK), highest official control body in Poland, which remain not connected with the government, her concert on the National Stadium in Poland was illegally subsidized by Polish Ministry of Sport and Tourism. Private company not only get for free usage of some stadium rooms, but also because of the advertisement and marketing papers signed direct money. This sum(5,8 mln złotych - about 1 785 216 $) was from special reserve, which was only targeted for tasks associated with the Euro 2012 soccer games in Poland, and volleyball promotion across children and teenagers in Poland.
 * ❌ Please provide justification for this source, it does not look reliable. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 15:56, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The story has been reported by several reliable Polish media, including TVP (the Polish national broadcasting corporation), Gazeta.pl, as well as Najwyższa Izba Kontroli (NIK) itself. NIK, or the Supreme Audit Office of Poland, is an independent state audit body whose main task is to audit and safeguard public spending. As described above, NIK has concluded that the organizers of Madonna's concert on 1 August 2012 at the Polish National Stadium in Warsaw illegally received subsidies amounting to PLN 5.8 million (approx. US$ 1.77 million) from the Polish Ministry of Sports and Tourism. The public money that was illegally spent on Madonna's concert had been earmarked for promoting interest in the UEFA Euro 2012 and youth volleyball.MsigDK (talk) 19:25, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes again, please add the first text/upper, this is reliable source(s), after long time of prosecution. The wp.pl itself is one of the main Internet portal(it is like saying that Yahoo, or Reuters is not reliable source, which leads to paradox and saying that all sources that are not reliable if they are not similar to Your view) which mainly quotes reliable sources - for example in cited in PAP(Polish Reuters like Agency), and Ministry of Sport and Tourism Joanna Mucha itself she don't say that she not given this money. She only defend herself that she thought this concert will be profitable(and it wasn't - only 35 thousand attendance, probably because of the same day ceremonies of Warsaw Uprising) or the loss would be very low.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Thanks.  Begoon &thinsp; talk  13:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)