Talk:The Madness of King Scar

Thoughts
In loveeeee with what you did with this article haha, you really used "A Change in Me" as a template, eh? I'm flattered. Just a few suggestions, for your consideration...
 * I think there's enough content here for you to create a "Background" section, separate from the Context/composition sectin, specifically Rice saying that the song was written to serve as mostly a "potboiler", Nala contributing vocals to only "Can You Feel" in the animated film, a version of "Madness" having been written and storyboarded for the film only to be cut from the final version, etc...but if you still find that the section looks a little sparse, you may have heard/read that a reprise of "Be Prepared" was intended for the animated film in which Scar makes similar advances on Nala, but was also cut due to it's mature content (there's information and reliable links about it on the Scar and Nala pages in their "Conception" section, written by yours truly aha). Although melodically different, they're essentially the same song plot-wise/thematically and could explain the origins of "Madness". This could help beef up the article a little bit.--Changedforbetter (talk) 02:31, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That makes a lot of sense to me; I knew that the section could be split apart into two, but I just was hitting a wall and having difficulty with how best to do it. I have revised it, and I think it makes the article stronger. Aoba47 (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Also, in my article "A Change in Me", the reason I didn't credit the song to any particular artist or album in the infobox is because an official English cast version of the song was never made to accompany the debut of the peace, IE Toni Braxton never recorded to song for any B&B soundtracks. However, in the case of "Madness", there was an official cast recording made right from the get go, so I think the article could benefit from you crediting Vickery, Headley and the others in the infobox, as well as the track length, producer, label, all of which can probably be found on iTunes/AllMusic...(think "Defying Gravity")--Changedforbetter (talk) 02:31, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Makes sense to me; I have revised the infobox. Aoba47 (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Lastly, I tend to avoid using the term "show tune" in the genre sections of infoboxes, simply because a show tune isn't really a genre, but rather a type or style of song, such as a ballad, if that makes sense. If no source has assigned the song an official genre (pop, R&B, dance), leaving the section blank doesn't detract from the quality of the article at all (Honor to Us All)--Changedforbetter (talk) 02:31, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * True as it is not really a genre at all. I have removed it. Aoba47 (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Overall though, this is a stunning article and makes me very happy to read :-)--Changedforbetter (talk) 02:31, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments! Your feedback means a lot to me, and you have definitely helped to improve the article a great deal. I was very much inspired by your work on "A Change to Me", as it piqued my interest in Disney songs that only appear in the musical versions (and I think it is safe to say that this will not be appearing the upcoming live-action remake lol). I am glad you enjoyed the article, and I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Aoba47 (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Lede section
Per Manual_of_Style/Lead_section: "The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents." "most important", not "all". Beyond that, the lede discussion of the fan made film is about 40% the size of the stand-alone section. That's way too big. I have personal "No reverts, one and done on talk pages" rules, so I will accept any decisions made going forward. - Immigrant laborer (talk) 18:38, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The information about the fan-made video is a large part in the "Reception and impact" section so it should be in the lead in some form. Since the fan-made video has receive a significant amount of attention, I would argue that it should be deemed as an "important" element of the article. You had removed the information completely with this edit summary "The fan made video already has its own section. It doesn't need to be in the lede as well". This edit summary does not follow the section of the manual of style that you have just cited above. I would have been more understanding if you had either copy-edited that part of the lead to reduce the size down or had written on the talk page about this. However, you choose to remove the part completely because you did not believe it belong in the lead at all. I have removed certain parts of that section in the lead to be more concise. I apologize that I sounded harsh in my original phrasing of this message. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, as I appreciate learning more about the lead section. I am absolutely garbage at writing leads and I will be better at responding to advice in the future. Aoba47 (talk) 18:55, 18 September 2017 (UTC)