Talk:The Members

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I added the {POV} tag. The present article is full of unsourced, opinionated fancruft, and reads more like a teenage fansite than an encyclopedia. Can someone with both a knowledge/appreciation of the band, plus basic Wikipedia editing skills, please improve this article. Many thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I very much second the opinion of Derek! Dribblingscribe (talk) 07:17, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Derek and Dribblingscribe, it is somewhat of an extension of a fan site. I'm suprised that it has remained in this state for so long. I have biographical interview videos of Nick Tesco that I was going to link, that would eventually be more instructive, even though from his personal POV, but I don't want to add to the perceived problem. I shall have a go at editing it, but I would like you to keep an eye on what I am doing. Acabashi (talk) 18:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll watch you like a hawk ! Seriously, I think you would be hard pressed to make this article much worse.  It is some time ago now, but I think I had trouble finding many references to this outfit, both in my reference books and on-line.  However, I'll look again at what I possess.  Best wishes,


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:16, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Derek. I've had a go at making it as neutral as I can. The problem is that when you remove all the bile, back-biting and vested interests, there's not much left :) Please have a look and improve if you feel necessary. I'm just hoping that some bot doesn't come along and revert it for vandalism! Acabashi (talk) 20:17, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

the band was formed by Tesco.. he original line up being Steve Morley, Gary Baker, Clive Parker and Tesco. Parker was brought in as he was the brother of Baker's co-worker at Heathrow Airport - Keith Parker, and, was about the only person in the area with a drum kit - having served an apprentiship in Surrey and Hampshire working-men's clubs. The whole 'Suburbs' thing is borne out of the frustrations of life revolving around Heathrow Airport and the depressing hinterland of support warehouses and factories... and Baker was instrumental in this direction, as well as the fact that he wrote their only hit 'Sound of The Suburbs', later a cause of much consternation with everyone trying to rip-off Baker. The early band was a sub-Ramones noise come reggae outfit with little direction. The link with the M3 Motorway is crucial as this is the route that Tesco took each day from Camberley, the whole band and equipment in his car headed for Tooley Street. Tesco was savvy and used Tooley Street rehearsal rooms because it was run by a couple of East End ganster barrow boys who had notions of being rock managers. This helped Tesco secure gigs, and go on to get better management. Tooley Street rehearsal rooms was a damp ex-dockside warehouse, run down, but now gentrified. Parker was still at school, and decided to go on a school expedition to France. When he returned the break had been too long for Tesco, and Parker was replaced, then Morley, (who was ex-Love Affair roadie and had little interest in the pop business - he slept on his Dad's garden in a tent in Bagshot during this whole period as his Dad refused to have him in the house). Morley was a soul boy and certainly gave the band its 'reggae' influence. The last (but not least) most important place was the Three Mariners Public House in Bagshot, Surrey. The band would rush back each night after rehearsals before 'last-orders' to drink as much as possible before closing. It had a Jukebox, about the only one in the area, the most played tracks being those of The Doors. The Pub was dinghy - a dump, but is now quaintly gentrified. Nevertheless it was the only place in the area. Tesco was banned from the Pub for urinating against the bar. Tesco and JC were for a while the Jagger and Richards of the punk scene. It would be nice to see a bit more accuracy in these articles, as some of these bands and band members had a worldwide impact and, in influencing other groups. Debbiereynolds (talk) 21:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * There's an original 1978 video of them performing "Sound of the Suburbs" on YouTube here;


 * BTW, "Push" was another single IIRC, and was another great record, even if it didn't get anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.4.57.101 (talk) 20:44, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

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Nicky Tesco?
Considering he founded the band and was with them through to 2009, perhaps there should be more information about him and possibly other members in the group? RIght now searching him on wikipedia just provides a redirect to this article. Centerone (talk) 16:09, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Calle Engelmarc - is he still a Member?
I heard in 2018 that he announced that he was quitting The Members, The Featherz and all his other projects. Shouldn't this be updated to reflect that (if what I heard was accurate) ? Romomusicfan (talk) 12:48, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * If what you say can be shown, of course he should be removed as a current member. However, your observation highlights an interesting broader point for all band articles, this article being a useful example. All members in the article's text and listings should abide by WP:LISTPEOPLE, ie they have to be notable in their own right, either with a Wikipedia article, or multiple reliable sources to show they deserve an article... this is not a desire, it's a prescription arrived at by consensus. This is flouted with the addition of nonentities in the guise, no doubt, of providing 'useful information', but becomes, as is typical, a thinly veiled attempt at promotion spam. This addition of nonentities, including Calle Engelmarc, appears encouraged in the musical artist Infobox, where I would like to see 'Members' and 'Past members' replaced by 'Notable members' and 'Notable past members'. You raise a valid point that has wider implication, and could be expressed on Wikipedia:Notability (music). Acabashi (talk) 11:48, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The above has nothing to do with my question and I do not appreciate this thread being diverted like this.
 * (For what it's worth I utterly disagree with your suggestion as I think it will leave many articles about bands in a patchy and incomplete state and I would rather have them be comprehensive and informative. Membership lists are a basic detail that people look up on Wikipedia pages for bands and to cripple this for the sake of a deletionist agenda would undermine Wikipedia's value. In a worst case scenario under what you are suggesting, bands which are notable but which have no individually notable members would be unable to mention ANY bands members.  I would also refer you to WP:NNC which goes directly against your demand that Notability is required for even a mere mention on Wikipedia.  I would also point out that WP:LISTPEOPLE is in point of fact a subsection of WP:SAL which deals specifically with List pages such as this one here.  Embedded lists such as those in an infobox or a List of band members section are outside of its scope.)
 * Anyway, the current band member listing on the official webpage only lists JC Carroll, Nick Cash and Chris Payne as members of The Members. It's not a perfect source, but it supports what I was enquiring about. Romomusicfan (talk) 19:08, 1 March 2021 (UTC)