Talk:The Millennium (Seinfeld)

One Year Early
Jerry should have said "One year early, thus quite lame", since 2000 is before 2001.--Stripedtiger (talk) 21:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, because early means before and late means after, not the other way around.--Martin IIIa (talk) 13:42, 20 November 2020 (UTC)


 * We know Kramer's party is on December 31 1999. We know Newman's party is the same day. Therefore Newman's party is December 31 1999.


 * If, when Newman made the hotel reservation, he booked it for the "millennium new year", his HOTEL RESERVATION will be 1 year late. But the date of the invitations (and thus the party) is on the correct date.


 * So I think it is safe to say that Jerry's argument is slightly wrong. The party is for the correct date, but the hotel reservation will be late... so the people attending the party will need to find a place to celebrate.


 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doggan (talk • contribs) 06:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * ^^ I think this argument is a good one, and had not occurred to me. My opinion was always thus:


 * Perhaps the single most frequently asked question on the "Seinfeld" IMDB message board asks what Jerry meant when he told Newman his millennium party would be one year late. What was meant by this exchange causes much confusion. People have theorized that the script was wrong and/or that Jerry misspoke. But why should we assume those things?


 * We learn earlier in the show that Newman made the reservation way back in 1978:


 * "I started planning this in 1978. I put a deposit down on that revolving restaurant that overlooks Times Square, and I booked Christopher Cross."


 * Newman believes the millennium commences 1/1/2000, as he states:


 * "...he's out of my life, starting in the year 2000. For me, the next millennium must be, Jerry-free!" (furthermore, it was established that Kramer's millennium party is 12/31/99, and Kramer becomes upset upon learning Newman's party is on the same date)


 * At the end of the show this exchange takes place:


 * Jerry: By the way Newman, I'm just curious. When you booked the hotel, did you book it for the Millennium New Year?


 * Newman: As a matter of fact, I did.


 * Jerry: Oh, that's interesting, because as everyone knows, since there was no year zero, the millennium doesn't begin until the year 2001, which would make your party one year late, and thus, quite lame.


 * COMMENT: Back in 1978, when Newman made the reservation, the hoopla over 2000 had not yet begun, so a reservation for "The Millenium New Year" would have been made for 12/31/2000, not 12/31/1999, as we learn from Jerry that the millennium commences 1/1/2001. But by telling Newman his party will be "one year late, and thus quite lame" Jerry acknowledges that popular culture has decreed the start of the millennium as 1/1/2000, even though Jerry knows it is not. A party on the actual millennium is one year late and lame, as huge, worldwide celebrations are being prepared for 12/31/1999. Alternatively, Jerry's "one year late" remark may simply be to annoy Newman by showing him that his reservation doesn't match his expectations. He certainly did not congratulate Newman for having the correct date of 12/31/2000, nor did Jerry chastize Kramer for having the wrong date of 12/31/99.


 * However, I do think that the explanation above about the reservation, not the party, being one year late, is a good one, is perfectly logical, only hindered by the fact that Jerry did say "which would make your party one year late," and Jerry never told Kramer that his party of 12/31/99 was on the wrong date.


 * As far as I know, Jerry, Larry David, or anyone connected with the episode has commented on this. They did not comment on it in the DVD bonus materials.


 * Nyctc7 (talk) 16:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * They didn't comment on it because there's no issue with it. The argument that Jerry's statement is in any way an error hinges entirely on the illogical assumption that though Newman made reservations for "The Millennium New Year", he instead put the specific date December 31, 1999 on the invitations. If you go with the more likely possibility that the invitations say "The Millennium New Year" (which also explains why it occurred to Jerry that Newman had probably made for the reservations for "The Millennium New Year" instead of a date), there's no contradiction.--Martin IIIa (talk) 13:51, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Dates on the invitations are not even mentioned, they have nothing to do with the issue. The issue isn't that people who got invitations would show up on the wrong day, the issue is that the party would not be on Dec 31st 1999 if it was actually booked on the 'millennium', which ends on Dec 31st 2000. Even though the millennium ends in 2000, not 1999, 1999 is the year most people would have held a big party, for the flip from 1999 to 2000. That's why Jerry says Newman's party is a year too late.
 * The issue revolves around whether the restaurant who made the reservations for 'The Millennium' would have known in 1978 that the Millennium actually ends on Dec 31st 2000. If they did know, then everything Jerry said makes sense, but it is unlikely they would know, because people became much more aware of that as the millennium was approaching. People in 1978 would have been much more likely to assume, as Newman himself did in 1978, that the millennium ends on Dec 31st 1999. 108.180.92.37 (talk) 09:18, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

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