Talk:The Nagus

Episode numbering
The article "List of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episodes" shows "The Nagus" is the 11th episode; and counting them, it IS the 11th 1-hour episode.

However, on StarTrek.com, it is called "Ep. 10" (Episode 10).

The confusion is due to an earlier episode being split into two ("To be continued"); and so it shows only 10 episodes on IMDb at https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106145/episodes?season=1 AND also says "Ep. 10" at StarTrek.com at http://www.startrek.com/database_article/the-nagus.

So, while it might be Episode 10 – if that is the proper numbering at StarTrek.com – it is also the 11th 1-hour episode.

Double-checking how StarTrek.com numbered the first two 1-hour episodes (where the split occurs), it shows both "Emissary, Part I" and "Emissary, Part II" as BOTH being Episode 1 ("Ep. 1"): http://www.startrek.com/database_article/emissary-part-i http://www.startrek.com/database_article/emissary-part-ii

I am not sure of how Wikipedia handles these discrepancies, or whether it needs TWO numbering systems. For Example:

Episode #10 and 11th 1-hour episode

But that wouldn't solve everything, because with TV shows that decide to have some episodes be one length, while other episodes be of a different length (e.g., twice as long), I don't know how we can keep it all straightened out. It'll still get confused.

As worded, the article is again correct by saying in the body "11th episode". But in the sidebar, it would be "incorrect" for it to be called "Episode 11"; rather, calling it "Episode 10" would be correct per StarTrek.com's present numbering system (IF that is correct).

However, to the casual reader, changing it here to say both of those would seem like a mistake. So, I don't know.

If there is a good and clear way of doing this, maybe someone has a good idea they'd like to share here.

Misty MH (talk) 07:02, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You were right not change anything but this sort of thing needs to be done consistently for a whole season, or whole series, and even the whole franchise. This happens a lot, but as far as I can tell WikiProject Star Trek has consistently adopted the convention to treat each hour as an episode, and so the double length season opening episodes are counted as 2 episodes, making this the 11th episode. Anyone in doubt should ask WikiProject Star Trek for clarification (and because well intentioned editors will freuquently make random changes to the episode numbers without discussion it first, everyone else should revert to the statusquo] if they see any discrepancies). -- 109.77.206.165 (talk) 15:56, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Score
Not what I was looking for but I found a comment from John Debney who wrote the score for this episode. (Context: He was asked about another composer Don Davis (who score the episode Face of the Enemy (Star Trek: The Next Generation) who apparently Rick Berman did not like. Then he talks about the nature of the job "we're hired hands. It's our job give producers what they want, bottom line, and in the meantime trying to keep our own integrity". He said he had no problems on the episodes he worked on.) All he said about this episode specifically was ""The Nagus" was just a silly show and I tried to write a score that highlighted the humor." Film Score Monthly page 9 The interview as about Seaquest DSV, so Star Trek only gets that brief mention. Not much to write about. If the Production section was expanded maybe a single line about the score could be include there, maybe not. -- 109.77.206.165 (talk) 01:20, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Nagus word meaning
An explanation of the episode title always seems to me like something the Production section should do whenever possible. Apparently the word "Nagus" is derived from the word "negus" meaning supreme ruler. https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/io9h5m/what_is_the_source_for_the_title_nagus/

The original source for this is an interview with Ira Behr in TV Zone special #34 titled "Behr Necessities" pages 16-21. I don't have access to that magazine article so I cannot check it for myself, and I was hoping to find an alternative source, but no luck so far. -- 109.78.198.204 (talk) 20:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)