Talk:The Naked Brothers Band (TV series)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: liquidluck ✽ talk  02:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Links and images
 * four links to disambiguation pages.
 * two dead refs
 * I believe Newsblaze was ruled unreliable.
 * There are four non-free images; the logo qualifies as fair use, but I don't believe the three images used in the seasons section do; they should be removed. If anything, use a single image featuring the entire cast. Michael Wolff also has a free image that might be useful.

With a quick once-over, I notice that the Cast, Crew, and Media sections are completely unreferenced. Most of the information in these sections are referenced in other sections, however, so it shouldn't be too hard to add the needed refs and I won't quick-fail it for that. The article also lacks a casting information, which could be added to the cast section. Excellent work on the Production section, though- it looks like all the major stages are covered.
 * Content

This isn't a complete review, but a start. I'll put the article on hold until April 12 for these comments, and if these issues are fixed by then, I'll add a more in-depth review.

Reply: I will be inactive on Wikipedia until Monday afternoon, because I had a busy week and am having a busy weekend. So on Monday afternoon, I'll be responding (if the nomination review could squeeze in another day?) Thanx! ATC. Talk 14:34, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, take until April 14! liquidluck ✽ talk  17:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Reply: I have a couple of minutes now and had a question, for later on, regarding photos. If I got a pic took from a clip of the show found online, featuring the entire cast (since they grew as the series went on, should I use three), wouldn't it qualify as free-use image? I'll eliminate the season pics, although I do think it meets free-use image policy. I could be wrong, I obviously avoided plagiarism by crediting the information to the copyright of the photos, though. Also, I'm on a Mac using Google Chrome and the link to the disambiguation page, appears as a link that Google Chrome could not connect to. Would u know if Safari or Firefox would work better in this case? Thanx for the extra time, I have a tight schedule! ATC. Talk 16:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's policy on fair-use images is a bit more tricky than making sure you've credited properly. The entire criteria is outlined at WP:FUC, but the points I'm concerned about here are #3 and #8. #3 says there should be as little fair-use content in an article as possible, while #8 says fair-use images should not be purely decorative; there must be a reason it is absolutely needed in the article. A cast picture, in addition to making the article nicer-looking, would allow readers to identify cast members/characters and thereby the show. You can imagine Rosalina and Nate dating, but you can't if you don't know what they look like.
 * As for how many images, it appears the only significant band change is the addition of Kristina, so pick one image of the entire band, including Kristina. liquidluck ✽ talk  01:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Reply:
 * 1) I replaced the NewsBlaze source with a PRNewswire source.
 * 2) Also, a pic of Nat & Rosalina, is already in the article. They are hugging in the second season section. Should that remain there or be put somewhere else?
 * 3) I erased all the other photos in the article, except for the one in the infobox&mdash;the logo for the TV show.
 * 4) What would be the appropriate way to retrieve a free-use photo of the cast? Should I contact press companies/columnists?
 * 5) And regarding a pic of Kristina, the problem is that she was ONLY in the last two TV movies of the series&mdash;since most episodes were TV movies&mdash;and for the last episode, which was a television episode special; that means I can not find any photos of Kristina together with the cast online, unless I use a picture of a clip from the episodes she was in, if that is legal? There are pics of Kristina by herself, as well as, Facebook and MySpace pics of Kristina with Allie&mdash;which I know for a fact that FB and MySpace are two websites that aren't allowed to be used for anything on Wikipedia. Although, Nat & Alex are currently in the process of recording their third season album (which is expected to be released from the end of the summer to early fall), and if they get the cast together for pics on the album, maybe Kristina will be depicted on pics for the album as well?


 * 1) Please expand on what you mean by a "decorative image", as I think you are referring to the infobox photo of the show's logo on the TV show's article, although I am still confused about it.

Thanx!

ATC. Talk 23:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry my explanation was so confusing! By decorative, I mean images which don't do much beyond making the article better-looking; Images claimed as fair-use on Wikipedia must have good encyclopedic value. The logo is very encyclopedic and should not be removed. However, an image of the entire cast would be more encyclopedic than one of just Nat and Rosalina, so the one of them hugging should also be deleted.
 * As for getting an image of the entire cast, you are allowed to take a screenshot of an episode or clip and use that image.
 * Please know that images are not required for GA, and the article won't fail even if it doesn't have any at all. However, if you are looking for free images (not fair-use), there are already free images of Jesse Draper and Michael Wolff (the ones in the article infoboxes) uploaded, that you can use (You're welcome to crop the images, if you want). You can also simply use images of places the series has filmed at to decorate the article.
 * You can also try emailing the studio or representatives for the show's actors. However, you might have better luck asking people on Flickr if they would re-license one or two of the images they've already uploaded under the license CC-BY-SA. Hether Wea and durhamskywriter both have images of the Naked Brothers Band (not the whole cast, but parts of it). If you don't have a flickr account, you can ask for help at the WP:HD. liquidluck ✽ talk  02:11, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) Also is there a way I could retrieve this photo of Polly Draper directing her sons in a third season television movie in Editors Guild Magazine, by contacting the author/illustrator, Michael Grotticelli?
 * I highly doubt that a professional would re-license his photo, so probably not. liquidluck ✽ talk  02:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Reply:
 * 1) 21 ^ Wingard, Shannon (March 2007). "Price Is Right On The Fast Track To Fame" (PDF). American Superstar Mag. Retrieved 2007-11-23. - is a PDF file, click it because it downloads perfectly and it is NOT the link you're referring to (I said this to avoid confusion with the other American Superstar Magazine it detects.) Look here at the references section, I do not know why the Checklink Tool server, detects a reference that is dead, if it's no longer in the article itself. Could you help me out, maybe the server for the Tool server didn't update that the source was removed?
 * Looks good. Sometimes the tool is wrong for some reasons, so as long as the link works I wouldn't worry about it. liquidluck ✽ talk  02:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

ATC. Talk 00:47, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) I erased one dead link source of tagworld.com about venture capitalist Tim Draper, the series' creator's brother/Nat & Alex's uncle/consulting producer and recurring cast member.

Update Good work so far. It looks like the remaining issues in my short review are the unreferenced Cast, Crew, and Media sections, and the dead American Superstar Mag ref. liquidluck ✽ talk 02:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Reply: I've done almost all of the fix ups, and editing anymore tonight will not be feasible for my schedule. Can this expand for another day or two? And I will source the Media, crew, and cast section. ATC. Talk 02:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Failing- for now. I understand that the nominator is busy in real life, but the article has several issues keeping it from GA status that may take a while to fix. The most prominent issue is the lack of references in the Cast, Crew, and Media sections, but there are also issues with the prose. I'll come back and give the article a more detailed review in a few days, and recommend that it goes through a peer review before its next GAN. Fortunately, the GAN reduction drive has reduced the backlog considerably, so there won't be long to wait. liquidluck ✽ talk 00:18, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Result