Talk:The National Engines

Prince of Wales
/ GWR 4900 Class

I'm confused as to why this splendid steam train is being designated the inspiration for the "Prince of Wales"? His London costume design is well documented as being based on the Advanced Passanger Train. Does this refer to his US productions costume design - I can't see any stylistic references in the costume design here. Please explain? http://www.bellesdomain.co.uk/stex/brochures/uk06_prince.jpg

Belle pullman 17:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

He is also mostly based on the GWR 4900 Class which gives him a resemblance to a steam engine.

Again, I'm sorry but I can't see the resemblance here? http://www.bellesdomain.co.uk/princey.htm  Here is my gallery of images of Prince of Wales. The Green version of the costume is clearly the Advanced Passenger Train. The silver version is less destinct, but he carries none of the design characteristics of the Steam Engines within the show, and all the characteristics of the diesels. http://www.bellesdomain.co.uk/stex/brochures/us93_17.jpg This image is a very rare picture of the silver Prince's helmet - as you can see the helmets are based very closely on the engines they represent. (He's second from left). This picture also puts him just by the steam trains, and there's really no common elements. Belle pullman 22:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

"But in some cases, he is a bit like a GWR 4900 Class."

I'm sorry to go on about this.... but there are only two costume designs for this character, and neither resemble a steam train at all! If I'm missing something here, please tell me...

Belle pullman 13:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Hashimoto
Sorry if "Hashimoto" is the correct japanese spelling of the word, but the character's name is "Hashamoto"! Except when it's Nintendo. Belle pullman (talk) 19:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Turnov
Anybody have any clue as to his inspiration. Cause to me he doesn't appere to be based on any type of Loco ever made. At least not in russia. --Starlight Controller (talk) 19:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually i did a little bit of reserch and i did find one (a little bit farfetched) engine that was made in the USSR that has an apperance similer to turnov's helmet I don't really think this is what he was based on but i will continue to look. --Starlight Controller (talk) 13:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Now that's just silly!!! Out of interest, what ref pics are you using?  To me he seems a generic sturdy, function-before-form design with a snow plough?  Belle pullman (talk) 00:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I Know It was stupid of me to think that was the basis for turnov but the reality of it is there has (as far to my knowledge) only been one high speed train for the USSR. Can't really remember what it was but i can tell you right now it doesn't look any more like turnov than that reject with jets that i posted. --Starlight Controller (talk) 13:30, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, he's designated as the Trans Siberian Express... but from what I've researched that's very much the route, not the engine.   Belle pullman (talk) 18:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah well the thing of it is that i would persoanally like to model Starlight Express on an HO model layout but it is difficult when you have no earthly clue what to use to represent turnov i've actually considered just modifying a German Decapod to look like a Soviet Steam Engine as they were very similer to eachother just so i could have a russian engine. --Starlight Controller (talk) 13:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually I recently think that maybe turnov was based on the ER200 but this is just my view as this is the only High Speed Russian engine that would have been running around the time of Starlight. --Starlight Controller (talk) 19:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Espresso
And what is the deal with espresso having the VIA Rail Canada logo anyway? --Starlight Controller (talk) 19:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That is a very good question.  Ask John Napier!  :)  Belle pullman (talk) 23:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Rhurgold/Weltschaft
Okay we all know that Rhurgold is based on the ICE. but what about his earlier persona i'd really like to find out what he might be based on. Belle if you have a closeup of his helmet let me know. --Starlight Controller (talk) 19:48, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * http://www.bellesdomain.co.uk/ruhrgold.htm Here's my page dedicated to him in his various incarnations...  The Weltschaft costume was also cast in bronze to form one of the two statues in the foyer of the German theatre...  there's gotta be clear photos around.  http://www.bellesdomain.co.uk/stex/meets/bochum03/fanday05.jpg  however this is the best I have, sorry!  Belle pullman (talk) 22:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Starlight on Ice
anyone have any photo's of the National Engines from this particuler show. --Starlight Controller (talk) 13:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Actors
Should they be added? ElphaPearl (talk) 17:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It would be nice to recognise them, but consider how very many of them there have been in 11 productions over 24 years... the article would instantly become about 8 times longer. Mazz0626 (talk) 20:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't have thought that the cast of ensemble roles was notable for an encyclopaedia. Check against a highly rated Musical Theatre Wiki article - perhaps Wicked (musical), which is a Good Article.  They've obviously got it right in what a Wikipedia article for a show should be.  There is of course a lot more to be said about Wicked, but you can't include everything on Wikipedia.  Minor Wicked characters don't have pages, and the only cast information is in prose in discussion of the individual productions.


 * The other issue is that it would be almost impossible to draw up an accurate list without access to official records, and it would do actors a disservice to create incomplete lists. I would suggest adding any notable actors' names to the character description sections - but by notable, they must be well known beyond musical theatre!  Belle pullman (talk) 20:52, 6 September 2008 (UTC)