Talk:The Nethernet

School project
Basically, for my school project, students were given an assignment in which they must do one of the following:

1. Contribute to an existing article that deals with New Media 2. Create an entirely new article about New Media that has yet to be posted

The topic I selected was PMOG (Passively Multiplayer Online Game). A new type of game on the internet that was designed by Justin Hall and his team. PMOG allows users to interact with each other. At the same time, the company that lauched PMOG, GameLayers Inc., collects data that will give them a better understanding on the internet and the way people use it.

Sources that I used were from:

- Wired News' website

- gamelayers.com

- The website created for USC students in the Interactive Media program; elaborates more on his PMOG project, which was his thesis when he was attending USC

- Justin Hall's "inter active" blog

- Tech Crunch article talking about PMOG

Some problems I am encountering right now is how to make proper citations.

Wramirez1 (talk) 19:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)Wramirez1


 * Your usage of wikilinks is broken. The correct form to use when linking to another article is Article Title . I have changed some of these to stop being external links which then link back to Wikipedia. I encourage you to change the rest in accordance with policy and guidelines introduced here: Build the web. --yonkeltron (talk) 16:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I apologize for not getting back to that (I am currently a student and had other projects that have been taking up my time). I understand the significance of your statement and looked further into. I will fix the problem as soon as possible. wramirez1
 * I've made a start at wikifying the article. You can take a look at what I've done and check out the Manual of Style find out what else you ought to do.  Not every word that has a wikipedia article needs an internal link, and no article should be linked to more than once - so, 'HUD', for example, only needs to be linked to the first time it appears, and the rest can go.
 * Take a look at WP:CITE to learn how to clean up your citations - the cite templates are a little intimidating at first, but they're not all that tough to work with once you get the hang of them.
 * There's a lot more cleanup that needs to be done - I think the 'tools' can be included with the descriptions of the character classes, for example, instead of having their own tiny little section - but I don't really have time for it right now. Good luck!
 * Also, you can sign your posts automatically by typing four tildes ( ~ ). That'll include a link to your user page and a time stamp. -- Vary | Talk 16:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it's best that I put PMOG: Passive Multiplayer Online Game instead of just PMOG. Besides my Instructor for Digital and New Media, recommended that I post the title of this article in that manner. Wramirez1 (talk) 07:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)Wramirez1
 * Do you mean you think the article ought to be located at PMOG (Passive Multiplayer Online Gaming)? If so, I disagree.  The game's proper name appears to be PMOG.  That may be an acronym for something else, but that acronym is not the game's name.  See the first sentance of the 'about' section of the game's web site: "PMOG is the Passively Multiplayer Online Game."  (Emphasis theirs.)  PMOG is a proper noun: the words it stands for should be included in the article (as they are now), but not the article's title. -- Vary | Talk 01:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Chiming in. Actually Vary I think you are mistaken. The first line on the splash for PMOG.com is "PMOG is the Passively Multiplayer Online Game." however in the about section of the web site it states "PMOG stands for Passively Multiplayer Online Game. " Also a google search gives a first hit that states "The Passively Multiplayer Online Game, PMOG." Confusion rains. To bring this discussion up to a higher level, please better explain the exact reasoning behind your change (re-read your post, its not very clear). If possible cite a style manual for justification (wiki or otherwise). Barring that perhaps the author deserves the right to chose their own title. My personal favorite would be to contact the game makers to hear what they have to say. They would probably know best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.203.150 (talk) 07:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

It seems pretty clear that PMOG is an acronym that stands for Passively Multiplayer Online Game (it is also in the title on the main page), what is the correct way to include that in the article title? Rubaiyat (talk) 07:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The title bar reads "The Passivly Multiplayer Online Game, PMOG." The same phrase is used in several other places.  The definite article suggests that this isn't the game's name.  If it was commonly constructed as "Passivly Multiplayer Online Game (PMOG)", that'd be different, but it's not.  Yes, the name is an acronym, but it's still very clearly the game's proper name.  Take a look at the game's about pages; they all refer to the game consistently as PMOG.  You never see them say (for example) "Sign up for Passively Multiplayer Online Game!"
 * But per the naming conventions, even if the acronym were not the game's proper name (I think it's perfectly clear that it is) PMOG would be the correct title for the article because the game is primarily (in fact, as near as I can tell, exclusively) referred to by that acronym even by its creators. We don't use parenthetical disambiguation phrases in article titles unless they're necessary.  If there were another, more prominent meaning for 'PMOG', then this article would be properly located at PMOG (gaming) or something similar.  If it were clear that the game's full, proper and most commonly used name were Passively Multiplayer Online Game and the acronym PMOG was used only infrequently, the article would belong at the full name.  But there's no case where an acronym that's commonly used enough to be the article's title should disambiguated with the full, spelled out version of the title.  The point is to locate the article at the most common name for the topic; adding all that extra text is unnecessary.  -- Vary | Talk 12:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Chiming in. Thank you, Vary, thats much more complete. Editing is an art and a skill. I do a lot of it face to face with writers. Unfortunately with distance editing we tend to forget the reader of our comments, someone who in this case refers to himself (I dont know the correct gender just using it to contrast Vary's clear use of the feminine in describe "herself", my apologies wramirez if you are a herself as well ;-) as a student and seems to be building his first site. When providing someone an editing experience, particularly to a newbie, sometimes a longer explanation, and a softer glove is justified (see do not bite the newbie). Good bye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.240.27.35 (talk) 22:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you're aware of it, but you're coming across as a bit condescending. If Wramirez1 was confused by my comment, he or she was (and is) welcome to ask for clarification. I don't see how my comment was in any way a violation of WP:BITE.  -- Vary | Talk 23:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Error in Refs?
I think that there is an error in reference #2 - the link goes to the same page as ref #4. Looking at the edit history it looks like the intended link target for ref #2 is http://interactive.usc.edu/projects/games/20070328-passively_.php -- 128.104.112.147 (talk) 19:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. Thanks for the heads up, I will change that now. Wramirez1 (talk) 08:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Wramirez1


 * The associations are incorrect. There are actually three associations per side (order vs. Chaos) those associations being Vigilante, Seer and Destroyer with Chaos and Benefactor, Bedouin and Pathmaker for the Order side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.15.212.126 (talk) 19:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Site Defenses
I removed the bit about the "setting up defenses on particular sites of interest." While this is in fact mentioned in the Wired magazine article, it is not actually true in reality. WhoIsJohnGalt? 04:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It is true, actually. You can lay one mine per visited page on a domain. So, if a domain had 30 pages, but only 10 were visited by PMOG players, then users could only lay 10 mines on the front page. This relates to the topic because every single user who visits the page would be attacked by a mine.

Also You can havetreasure hunts on PMOG. This means you can do just about anything with PMOG's tools. M1N (talk) 19:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Steampunk Influences
Should it be mentioned anywhere how heavily steampunk influenced this game is? I mean seriously...it's everywhere in it. Fruckert (talk) 05:07, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. Most of the tools are very Steampunk, with many of the characters adopting a characteristic steampunk look. Agreed. --78.149.146.139 (talk) 22:19, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

End of the Nethernet
The Nethernet has been taken down-Someone with a lot of time please edit this article! Jimmy0704 (talk) 11:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've edited it to include a source for the takedown, and putting everything into past tense. It didn't take a lot of time. --McGeddon (talk) 10:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Ups and Downs
Hopefully someone besides me can read this: http://thenethernet.com/forums/social-tools/topics/where-we-stand?page=1#27412bfe-3973-11e2-b864-4040901a8650 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.254.52.38 (talk) 23:55, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

The end for good
The neathernet and the developers website have now stopped working. The developers website has not had it's DNS paid, and nobody knows what happened to the neathernet... I'm sorry to say, it's all finally gone. Can someone edit in the final edit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.27.228 (talk) 15:34, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

External links modified
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