Talk:The New Left (band)

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This band isn't some new indie group or garage band.

It, like Rob Thomas, is a new effort pushed by a former Matchbox Twenty member.

MB20 is undeniably one of the most influential and popular bands of its time.

Agreed, the article can use work, but hey it was just started.

--AlanH 23:33, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Notability is not inherited. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 21 March 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Laurdecl talk 11:07, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

The New Left → The New Left (band) – the primary topic for "The New Left" is the political movement known as The New Left, not an obscure rock band which barely meets notability criteria. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:34, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support. Incidental capitalization of the definite article is not sufficient to distinguish this band from the well-known political movement. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 05:14, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note that Wikipedia does not distinguish between uppercase and lowercase for the first word of its titles, so the capitalization is not even relevant. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:08, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support and redirect to New Left (disambiguation) to pick up mislinks. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:48, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with In ictu oculi about redirecting this title, and should have included that in the nomination. Thanks for spelling it out. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:32, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * But if you're proposing to move this article because the primary topic for "The New Left" is New Left, why would you redirect to a dab page as if the phrase is ambiguous and there is no primary topic? Those 2 positions seem to contradict each other. Station1 (talk) 18:00, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree with User:In ictu oculi and disagree with User:Station1. DAB pages are always best for confused people, and anyone entering this search term into the search box is confused.  No one who knows what they are doing would do that.  "The" is a useless search term.  People landing at this title will not land due to the Wikipedia search engine, but due to following a bad link, or link or bookmark dating from when this band article was mis-titled.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:46, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I don't see any reason to think that people searching for the political movement are likely to search with "The New Left" rather than "New Left". The name of the (albeit obscure) band includes the "The", so those searches are likely to include the "The". We have two different articles with two different titles, both using their WP:COMMONNAME. A hatnote at the top of this article should take care of the occasional situation in which a person seeking the movement ends up here, and I've added it accordingly. Also note that The Tea Party movement links to Tea Party movement (there is no obscure band with the name "The Tea Party movement", apparently) but its page view counts are extremely low |Tea_Party_movement|The_New_Left|New_Left. --В²C ☎ 16:41, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support: I'm pretty sure that most people don't think "the New Left" is primarily a band that released one EP in 2004 that didn't chart and then later abandoned its web site domain name. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:56, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose as unnecessary disambiguation. This article is averaging just 5 hits a day compared to around 700 for New Left; obviously not a lot of people are getting lost. The current set up using the natural and concise title hurts no one, and the new hatnote will take care of the rare reader who winds up here by mistake. Station1 (talk) 18:00, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose per User:Station1. —  AjaxSmack   02:37, 22 March 2017 (UTC)  —  AjaxSmack   03:41, 25 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support. Ambiguous with The New Left ("The New Left was a broad political movement mainly in the 1960s and 1970s ..."), a topic that claims PrimaryTopic status for this title.  The dropping of "The" from it's title is per WP:The, and this means that the presence of absence of a leading article is insufficient disambiguation.  Someone clicking on "New Left" would be astonished to find downloading an article on an obscure band unrelated to the political topic.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:42, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support – too ambiguous; explicit disambiguation is better. Dicklyon (talk) 05:16, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


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