Talk:The News (musical)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Some Dude From North Carolina (talk · contribs) 22:08, 16 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Add a short description to the top of the article. ✅
 * Add the use mdy dates template.
 * ❌ I'm not aware of any policy or guideline that mandates use of this template. If you or anyone else wish to add it, I won't remove it, but my personal view is that it's not worth the clutter, especially for an article like this which is likely to be forever short and subject to very low editor traffic. Colin M (talk) 16:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Well then please fix the reference dates (such as "2019-03-30") per MOS:BADDATE. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 00:32, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. "2007-04-15" is listed as an example in the "Acceptable" column of that page. Colin M (talk) 00:58, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * "Do not use dd-mm-yyyy, mm-dd-yyyy or yyyy-dd-mm formats." Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 18:20, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Fortunately "2019-03-30" is not an example of any of those three formats. Colin M (talk) 18:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Improve the image's non-free use rationale.
 * Could you be more specific about what's wrong with the current rationale? FWIW, the 'n.a.' field values were placed there by the upload wizard. Colin M (talk) 16:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Use Template:Non-free use rationale poster to improve the rational and remove the 'n.a.' fields. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 00:34, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not a poster. But I replaced it with a different template and there are now no 'n.a.' fields. Colin M (talk) 01:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Expand the lead into two large paragraphs.
 * I feel the lead covers the main points of the topic and is an appropriate length, given the brevity of the article as a whole. Are there any particular pieces of information from the body that you think the intro doesn't cover but should? Colin M (talk) 17:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Remove MOS:CONTRACTIONS ("they're"). ✅
 * Add a serial comma after R. Vincent Park.
 * ❌ It seems MoS allows either style: MOS:OXFORD. Colin M (talk) 15:54, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The News was originally an American production (from Florida and later to Broadway). Consensus is to use American English for American articles, such as serial commas. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 16:09, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see mention of that at MOS:SERIAL. Could you link me to a page that shows consensus for this? Colin M (talk) 16:32, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * MOS:TIES and MOS:SERIAL ("[be] internally consistent"). Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 16:49, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Not seeing how this follows from the two guidelines you linked. For MOS:TIES to be relevant, there would need to be consensus that the use or non-use of serial commas is a feature of national varieties of English. But I don't see any evidence that that is the case. Our article on Serial comma notes that most American style guides mandate it and most British style guides do not, but that there are exceptions on both sides. If we remain at an impasse on this, perhaps you could start a thread on the MoS talk page to seek some outside opinions? But in any case, MOS:SERIAL is not one of the MoS sections that WP:GACR mandates compliance with. Colin M (talk) 17:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)


 * "closing November 9" "closing on November 9" ✅
 * The second paragraph in #Productions is unsourced. ✅
 * Add a WP:DATECOMMA after "September 18, 1986". ✅
 * The #Original_Broadway_cast section needs sources.
 * ✅ I find situations like this tricky because there's no natural place to put a citation for the whole list. The MoS forbids putting a citation in a section heading, and adding a copy of the same citation after every list entry is verbose and ugly. I ended up adding a bit of prose introducing the list as a nail to hang a cite on. But open to other suggestions as well. Colin M (talk) 16:04, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikilink the Associated Press, John Simon (critic), New York (magazine), and Andrew Rissik. ✅
 * Be consistent with referring to the character as "Killer" and "the Killer". ✅
 * Properly cite sources with dates, authors, and access-dates.
 * ❌ This is explicitly not a requirement of WP:GACR. But I'm open to try to improve the reference formatting if you have more specific suggestions. But it's not necessarily appropriate to add an access-date parameter to every ref, for example, since many of these are offline sources. Colin M (talk) 17:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Check for WP:QWQ, WP:CURLY, WP:ALLCAPS.
 * ✅? I found one instance of all-caps in a quote which I replaced with strong markup. Didn't see any issues with quotes-within-quotes or curly quotes. Colin M (talk) 16:21, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sort categories in alphabetical order.
 * ❌ See MOS:CATORDER. Colin M (talk) 17:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ping when done. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback so far. I think this is ready for another look. For all the items above I believe I've either resolved them, or replied with a request for clarification or explanation for why I don't think the suggested action is necessary. Colin M (talk) 18:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * One final comment. Why is the word "loud" in bold? Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:53, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The word is in all caps in the original source. Per WP:ALLCAPS: In quoted material, all caps or small caps for emphasis can be replaced with Colin M (talk) 20:07, 23 July 2021 (UTC)