Talk:The Notorious B.I.G./Archive 3

Add to biopic
Wallace's real life son, Christopher Jordan Wallace/Christopher Wallace Jr., plays the role of his father in his younger years (ages 8-13). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Befidled (talk • contribs) 09:42, 10 February 2010 (UTC) reaterdation statoin

Album titles were self-fulfilling prophecies
Shouldn't this article mention how eerily prophetic the titles of his albums were ? Especially in the sequence that they were titled and released? Like "Life After Death", which was recorded and titled while he was still alive, but released AFTER he unexpectedly died. Coincidences like that don't happen very often. 24.189.90.68 (talk) 22:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it just conveniently fits the content of the albums and a common theme of rapping about street and gangster life in that era. It's also a slight piece of a horrorcore element too which occasionally was shown in his songs. Plus it was just a good concept of bringing attention to yourself, commercially speaking. If I remember right tupac even claimed he wanted to call HIS album 'Ready to Die'. _ morde t .. 04:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree with User 24.189.90.68. It's similar to A) 2Pac's song "Death Around The Corner". 2Pac was right. He was killed around the corner. B) David Bowie's song "Rock 'N' Roll Suicide". In 1977, Five Years after he released the song, Bowie almost ended his life with drugs, fulfilling his own prophecy. C)Joy Division's album "Closer" which was released after Ian Curtis' death. The word "closer" has a dual meaning too; it could be an adjective or a noun. Pagen HD (talk) 00:26, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Remove website address?
Can I remove the "Website www.badboyonline.com/notoriousbig"? because it now gives a 404 error. Googling for an alternate web address for him doesn't give anything better than a MySpace page which doesn't include much of relevance. Lopifalko (talk) 07:25, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Already ✅, removed 3 dead links from the external links section. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 00:04, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 24.60.98.163, 21 May 2010
editsemiprotected

remove the last 2 links, they do not work

24.60.98.163 (talk) 17:33, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 00:05, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Eatmaxeat, 13 June 2010
editsemiprotected

In Biggie Smalls' associated acts section it doesn't have method man as an associated act. Method Man collaborated with Biggie Smalls on his first album "Ready To Die" and he rapped with Biggie Smalls on the song "The What."

Eatmaxeat (talk) 19:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Please provide a reference to a reliable source. — Mike moral  ♪♫  21:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Inquiry about filmed death
I would like to add possible subcats of Category:Filmed deaths here, however, I see no citation pertaining to the amateur footage captured on the night of his shooting (as was disclosed in documentaries such as Bigger Than Life and Famous Crime Scene: Notorious B.I.G.). Well, I can easily cite the documentaries themselves, I'm afraid just doing that won't meet the standards of WP:RELY. I need something concrete. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 10:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 24.163.61.151, 10 March 2011
Any reference made to an african american murder suspect should be changed to black as nobody knows the citizenship of the alleged murder.

24.163.61.151 (talk) 03:45, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. I'm not sure what you mean. — Gƒoley  Four  — 04:58, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * He's trying to say that it is unknown that the black shooter was an American citizen, therefore possibly not "African-American". Jasper420 19:32, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.185.7.105, 2 April 2011
Originally,Biggie was chosen as the greatest mc of all time on MTV's list of greatest MCs, but after a disagreement with several voters on the roundtable he was later moved to number #3 on the list.

71.185.7.105 (talk) 18:14, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Do you have a source for that? Monty  845  08:33, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 85.151.204.175, 12 May 2011
please remove the top5list.com reference, it's just spam, it's not a notable source, when searching for top5list.com on google this page is with the first results.--85.151.204.175 (talk) 17:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

85.151.204.175 (talk) 17:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ Agree. C T J F 8 3  15:28, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Fanzine tone
Can anything be done about a certain breathless, juvenile fanzine tone? It often seems to be written by and for the main character in Malibu's Most Wanted. Or is that inevitable, given the subject matter and who has information about it? It's a bit like walking into a comic store and overhearing an argument about Green Lantern which assumes the life or death importance of the subject. Isn't any kind of perspective about the age and race of the audience possible? There's all sorts of articles by now about how commercial rap plays a role in feeding white male middle school fantasies about African America as a place with no homework and lots of willing girls. The "wild wild West" trope has always appealed to them, a place where men are still men and gun each other down. What does that do to normal African Americans, to have that stereotype projected onto them? Lots of lit about that out there, but it's not in the fanzine websites. The article seems written by people who would laugh at slightly younger people who think the professional wrestlers are for real, but B.I.G was a character that Wallace played. He even fudged his character's birthplace, changing it from unknown, gentrifying Clinton Hill, home to a famous old college, to hardcore BedStuy. Mainstream big money rap had become, by Wallace's time, a kind of professional wrestling aimed at white adolescents, but this article is written by, and for, those believers. It's time to cite some of the literature out there that looks behind the curtain. Profhum (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 January 2012
why is rapper too short not in assciated acts he was featured on 5 tracks from wallace nd wallacem was featured on many of his tracks nd why nit craug mack bcz he nd big released a collabaraative album which went gold and the album released big,s career

117.199.151.186 (talk) 14:50, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you'd make a specific, specific, coherent edit request, please do so below, give a reference for your change, and change the "edit semi-protected" from =yes to =no. Skier Dude  ( talk ) 04:00, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Who is the OTHER Biggie Smalls?
I see from the article that B.I.G. quit using biggie smalls, when he found someone else using that name. I'd like to know who this other person is, and what they've produced? ~ender 22:19:PM MST 21 March 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.52.42 (talk) 05:19, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Rewrite
The recent rewrite contained a good amount of trivial information about albums that only belongs in the albums page, and unsourced information, including the quote box. This is a featured article so it should be discussed here before an rewrite, which I don't see a point unless a new major source (like a major book biography from an notable author) is written. Secret account 15:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Also most of the content came copypaste from other Wikipedia pages, and information removed prior to the FA/FAR while including adding info from citation needed in 2008? Read WP:MOS, Featured article criteria, and even WP:GFDL as that information copy and paste from other articles isn't really allowed. Secret account 15:41, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 May 2012
At the top of the article where it saids (May 21, 1972 - March 9, 1997) it should be change to say (May 21, 1972 – March 9, 1997) because it will make the dash bigger. 99.137.149.253 (talk) 18:21, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Dru of Id (talk) 18:39, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

"Posthumous Career"? WTF?!?
Jesus Christ, what the hell is a "posthumous career"? The guy is dead, for chrissake! There's no "career" after death.

This exemplifies why Wikipedia stories about pop culture are just crap. Semi-literate fans gain access to their moms' computers, and they fill Wikipedia with poorly written, poorly conceived fanzine nonsense. The very idea of democratizing the recording of knowledge is a path to stupidity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonball52 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Considering the IP laws, and the fact that estates run trademarks and images of people/characters for upwards of centuries (and no legal limits in the US) after their death (e.g. Sherlock Holmes), I don't see why we can't talk about their posthumous careers.
 * ~ender 2012-03-21 22:18:PM MST


 * Also, considering that Hologram Tupac (Tupac) showed up at Coachella in April 2012, I don't think it's unreasonable to talk about a "career" instead of just posthumous releases/remixes/etc.
 * ~ender 2012-07-13 17:15:PM MST — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.46.247 (talk)

add disambig hatnote
Please add

-- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 20:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 21:22, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 November 2012
Please

71.172.207.251 (talk) 22:21, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: No request. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 22:45, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Bed-Stuey
He's still categorized as being a person from Bed-Stuy. This is demonstrably false; he grew up in Clinton Hill and this is made evident both in the article and elsewhere. He said it in an age when people couldn't fact-check this sort of stuff to make him appear more authentic. Can someone take it out or at least change it to Clinton Hill? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.255.102.42 (talk) 09:05, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. There is no category for people from Clinton Hill, so I removed it entirely.--Chimino (talk) 06:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The name Wallace vs B.I.G.
Quick question: the article says that Christopher George Latore Wallace was "best known as The Notorious B.I.G.", and on this Talk page you have lots of references to him as B.I.G. or BIG: " To-do list for The Notorious B.I.G." etc. No one, generally speaking, talks about him as "Wallace", and yet that's what the article calls him. Compare this with the article on Gary Glitter: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Glitter) - Glitter's birth name (Paul Gadd) is probably better known to the general public than "Christopher Wallace", and yet the article refers to him throughout as Glitter, which is how people generally know him & refer to him. I don't know what the Wikipedia convention on this point is, but a) using Wallace just seems a bit odd and contrived, and b) it can't be the case that the Notorious B.I.G. & the Gary Glitter articles are both conforming to the same stylistic convention. One of the two is presumably wrong. But which? I have no idea. (86.180.153.114 (talk) 00:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC))
 * This is a good question; I'd like to hear what others think about the matter. Your argument makes sense, but perhaps it's because he's not really known as "B.I.G." but "Biggy", a name he could never legally use?--Chimino (talk) 00:36, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Typo in lede
This is in one of the first paragraphs:

mainstreamThe release

108.180.252.74 (talk) 06:26, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * done:...not sure how that happened.--Chimino (talk) 15:14, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Five dead links marked
There are five dead links to sources marked in article. They should be fixed before the article appears on the main page. MathewTownsend (talk) 18:05, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Four fixed using archive sources. The fifth, www.biggieduets.com, redirects to atlanticrecords.com.  The original site obviously used some fancy technology for its pages which didn't save on the Internet Archive e.g. here. Unfortunately that reference is used in four places in the article, so some searching might be necessary for alternative references. BencherliteTalk 19:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Currently it is reference 19, and is used to support the following sentences:
 * "Wallace followed and in mid-1992, signed to Combs' new imprint label, Bad Boy Records. On August 8, 1993, Wallace's longtime girlfriend gave birth to his first child, T'yanna."
 * " "Real Love" peaked at No. 7 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart and was followed by a remix of Blige's "What's the 411?". He continued this success, to a lesser extent, on remixes with Neneh Cherry ("Buddy X") and reggae artist Super Cat ("Dolly My Baby", also featuring Combs) in 1993. In April 1993, his solo track, "Party and Bullshit", appeared on the Who's the Man? soundtrack."
 * "On August 4, 1994, Wallace married R&B singer Faith Evans after they met at a Bad Boy photoshoot."
 * "On October 29, 1996, Faith Evans gave birth to Wallace's son, Christopher "C.J." Wallace, Jr".
 * I am not a hip-hop enthusiast so don't know where the best place to look for easy and reliable sourcing of these matters would be. BencherliteTalk 19:12, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll see what I can find. It shouldn't be a problem to have everything properly sourced before the 28th.--Chimino (talk) 23:22, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That's great to hear. Many thanks. BencherliteTalk 23:24, 19 December 2012 (UTC)