Talk:The Office/Archive 1

US version - separate article - disambig page

 * Now that the American version is going into its second season and has been nominated for its own awards, should we be moving it to a seperate article? Or is there a guideline I'm missing? --Mrtea 12:10, 11 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd support this move. It has an ever-growing fanbase and the rumor is that NBC will be producing five or six more episodes. It deserves it's own page, if only for "ryan started the fire." --Stan weller 17:47, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I did it. I hope no one minds. Now the American version can expand and not affect the British version --vossman 16:12, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I think it makes sense to separate them. But now a disambiguation page is probably needed. --Jeremy Butler 22:00, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * That makes sense; I was hoping to use the main page as a comparison/disambig page, but that may not conform to Wikipedia style --vossman 22:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the only tricky part would be figuring out where to put the comparison between the two versions. Perhaps it best fits on the US version's page?  --Jeremy Butler 12:04, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The only worry I have is that if you look at the Battlestar Galactica (2003) page, you'll see the page is absolutely huge and most of it is comparison to previous version. A couple of us are trying to work out that mess in a similar fashion. --vossman 12:19, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I guess I could spin off a comparison page (if it becomes necessary), if you want the very simple disambig page --vossman 12:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Definitely, the comparison between the shows should go on the American page, owing to its derivative nature. I love both shows, I just would assume it would make more sense to put it there. —SavMan 08:37, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Canadian Remake
The show will be remade once again in Canada, here is the link if the information needs to be included in the article. I saw that there was information about the French version and the German version, so why not Canadian? Here is the link: http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/canadian%20the%20office%20pays%20tribute%20to%20gervais_1005699 --Nehrams2020 07:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The announcement of a Canadian version is very recent, which is why it's probably not already mentioned in Wikipedia. You can be bold and add it to the appropriate article yourself of course, or if you can make a decent stub, create an article for it! : ) Mrtea (talk) 20:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Lo and behold, I have made a well documented non-stub article on the Quebec version with lots of tasty info. You can consult it at: La Job. From you humble Quebecois anglophile servant. --Liberlogos 21:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Michael and Jan
The article states that Michael "bedded" Jan, his corporate boss. While this was up in the air for some time, I'm pretty sure that several episodes later, Michael admitted (to Dwight, I believe?) that they didn't actually sleep together, they just "madeout". -M
 * Well, it may not have been true at the time, but it's true now! Seb Patrick 22:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * They were inconsistent about whether they slept together or not. It seemed that Michael was jumping back and forth between bragging and hesitating to say anything, like he did, only much more quickly, in that interview last night where he only hinted at what happened, then hinted too much, then just admitted to it all. -- Viewdrix 22:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Also Michael seemed to brag more about him and Jan, when he was around Jan, or at least in the oraface of her, And mostly bragged to Dwight. EminetlyKat July 17 2008 (UTC)

intern
Ryan, played by B.J. Novak, is an original character. wasn't there an intern in the original? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.105.208.9 (talk • contribs)

There was a temp in the original, named Ricky (not to be confused with Ricky Gervais who is David Brent and a writer/creater/etc. of the show). He dated Donna, the brunette in the office Gareth was interested in (sexually). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.106.209.88 (talk • contribs)

It should be noted that the temp in the American version has much more of a presense than the temp in the British version(this was something I put under the Version Comparisons section of the main page however someone felt that it did not belong, which I still do not understand). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.94.13 (talk • contribs)


 * I agree that it's not a bad information to have. User:24.59.106.17, in his second removal of this mention, writes: "taking out the temp line again. it's a bit obvious that novak's temp has more presence... the original UK office was only 14 episodes. of course the US version is going to flesh out their characters." It is not obvious to people that have seen one version only or no version yet (one goal of an encyclopedia is to bring new information to people without prior knowledge of a subject matter). The point is that he got proportionately less development than other characters. --Liberlogos 04:50, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

OMG. You're right. There was an intern in the original. This needs to be cleared up. Ryan's character (i.e. his personality) is original of the US show, but there was a similar temp character in the BBC version. This needs to be noted. Randomfrenchie 01:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Seperate Articles
I belive there should be seperate articles for each version of the show. Each show has different producers and a different markets. The version comparison section should either be placed on the disambiguation page or in each of the seperate articles. Randomfrenchie 01:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

My bad. there already is a seperate article. I will make this more clear to readers because when you type 'The Office and press Go, it goes to this page. It is not clear that going to seperate pages is an option. Randomfrenchie 01:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

New Images
These new images on this page look awkwardly placed. Should we move them or delete? YaanchSpeak! 21:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

A question
As there is a fixed policy on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles/Policy saying that the Beatles has to be written with a lowercase 't', I wonder what your thoughts are about using that policy for this page, and if you would agree or disagree. I thank you. andreasegde 16:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Fiction noticeboard
A new noticeboard, Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * This noticeboard has been deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard. Please disregard the above post. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Comparison of UK and US versions
Shouldn't this section be either deleted or expanded to include versions from other countries. Is the US version anymore notable than the other remakes? 212.140.167.99 17:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I just deleted it, as it was entirely unsourced original research. The similarities and differences between the characters in different versions, unless sourced, are entirely matters of opinion. - Chardish 02:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Assistant to Regional Manager vs Team Leader
I don't think the original version had Assistant to the Regional Manager. Perhaps the table is misleading. Remember it is a table o comparisons.


 * Yes, Gareth Keenan's official title was Assistant to the Regional Manager, a point made in one particular joke where David Brent corrected him after he said he was "Assistant Regional Manager" (and highlighted on the GK page). Not knowing the US version well, I'd guess the joke was probably retained for Dwight Schrute too. --Lawlore 13:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Length
The article should state whether this is an hour-long or half-hour-long program. Badagnani 01:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

America
Why is there so much space in the first couple of paragraphs about the Yank version of the show, but only a couple of lines devoted to the others? Surely if any of them deserves preferential treatment it should the original, English version? And I'm not sure anyone reading Wikipedia gives a flying shit about whether they mention Scranton restaurants or not.
 * Yes, I agree that this article should be balanced in its descriptions of all versions of the series, and I agree with your edit that deleted a bunch of text that got into too many specifics about the US version. However, please try to be polite when posting your comments, and try to focus on bringing articles up to a stylistic standard instead of assuming you know what Wikipedia users are interested in. (I, for one, am interested in real-world references to Scranton in the US Office, but this article isn't the place for it.) - Chardish 17:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The Office vs. The Office (UK,US)
In my opinion I don't really think The Office article should have a whole lot of information specfically related to either edition. It makes sense for the comparison to be on this page, but I don't think the actual cast lists should. I also think the links to The Office (UK) and The Office (US) should be more obvious. And now that I look at it this: "Widely acclaimed as the most successful BBC comedy in this decade, two six-episode series of the British version of The Office have been made, along with a pair of 45-minute Christmas specials." shouldn't be listed in the this article at all, should it? Shouldn't we have a photo of Michael Scott too?

Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I'm with the concensus here. The cast lists should go, yeah? --Mrtea 22:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree on all levels --vossman 02:35, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Why is there a picture of the US version on this page? If anything (other than the non-pictorial "the office" dvd covers) it should be the original version featured. No?

This is the english (as in language, not country) wikipedia, not the american one. Just a thought.

--70.49.183.153 03:02, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * There originally was a picture from the British version, but that picture was removed because there was no source information (ie couldn't legally use it), so it was replaced with a version from the American version that can be used. Qutezuce 03:10, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I disagree that the article should be a generic one with the US version given equal status to the UK one. Whether or not you agree that the US version is an inferior copy, the UK one is the original, and deserves to be given priority as a result. I think many fans of The Office (UK) will be offended that the US version is considered on an equal footing. Obviously we must keep such opinions out of the article, but a way to keep everyone happy is to have The Office refer to the original UK version, and The Office (US) the copy. Graham 03:39, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The US version is less a "copy" than a remake and extension of the UK version. And it's common Wikipedia practice to give originals and remakes equal status. See, for example, the article on Big Brother (TV series), which does not give priority to the Dutch version. This makes sense to me. --Jeremy Butler 13:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Additionally, the U.S. version has outgrown the UK version by a considerable number of episodes while going on a much different and creative tangent. It is now the larger body of work and I must say, as a fan of the original Office, the U.S. Office is at least equal if not better in quality as it has been given time to drive many subtle storylines into the series that are implicitly propelled (ie: you wouldn't know that Oscar is homosexual unless you caught certain clues in only one episode and it's not revisited except via other small clues in others) - pretty unique for an American series. (Jeremy)

Sure, but Big Brother is a gameshow format and thus not directly comparable (Paul Stewart)

I have heard the term "the office" used to move marks around a casino, but can't seem to find it listed anywhere on wiki. --207.172.57.9


 * If we want to treat the two series equally, while not running into copyvio issues, how about an image of the DVD box for each? ProhibitOnions 12:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I really can't see how anyone can compare Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant's original to any of the 'extensions' no matter how many of them they make —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.78.114 (talk) 20:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Elizangela Marchena
I've added a citation needed tag to the paragraph re: Elizangela Marchena. I can't find a single mention of this person anywhere... is this real? hack (talk) 05:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

What happened to the comparisons?
Uhh... What happened to the comparisons of the shows? 75.34.152.164 (talk) 04:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)TheRussianLunchLady

Free Radio
Hi I am a new user at wikipedia and I have been working on a similar page to this one (Free Radio). I was wondering if any of you have any time if you could look over it and tell me what you think (Just post it up on the Free Radio discussion page). I am looking to possible add somethings and I am looking for ideas. I have based a lot of the Free Radio page on what you guys have done on your page and any input from any of you would be great. Also how did you get permission to use The Office logo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pass3514 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Other 1996 UK "The Office" Pilot by Steven Moffat
There was a Pilot for a show called "The Office" written in 1996 written by steven moffat which I cannot find represented on Wikipedia. 209.162.26.254 (talk) 07:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

new information
It does not say anything about spanish version of the office. In spain we can see the office in LaSexta Channel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.59.128.84 (talk) 15:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Belgian adaptation
"Het Eiland" has been airing here in Nederlands and Belgium for something like a year now - and it's definitely the same show in the sense of the others - but I don't have a source to site. Can someone confirm this and add it to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by NickRinger (talk • contribs) 17:45, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Tables
Why are there three version comparison tables? They say pretty much the same thing, but the one in the middle uses space the best. Can we do away with the others? --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 13:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, the US/UK best compares the versions. And why doesn't the all inclusive table list them in chronological order, it seems to be random, with quebec first for no reason whatsoever66.108.12.31 20:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I put the Quebec one at the end and removed the language-specific tables since their info was totally redundant. This way all ther versions can be compared at once.Spebudmak 02:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that the table should include the name of the companies in the various country formats --Samtheboy 18:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Meredith Palmer is missing from the table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.239.75 (talk) 16:08, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

The UK version of The Office isn't technically the first
I was glancing at the ads in an old 1995 issue of TV Guide I found whilst cleaning out a closet (I have no idea why I kept it) and found an ad for "The Office", a CBS sitcom centered on a secretary, her boss, and her four friends. When I looked I found that TV.com has an entry for it. It's certainly not enough to have its own article, but it's at least verifiable enough to add a brief mention to the article noting that a short-lived 1995 sitcom on CBS had the name first. -- Y&#124;yukichigai (ramble  argue  check ) 02:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Receptionist
Pam isn't the receptionist anymore, now she is a sales rep. Rina is the new receptionist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.24.147 (talk) 17:13, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * True. I'll add Kelly A.K.A. Erin to the Receptionist box. Is there anywhere else Pam should be put? She's a major character so shouldn't she be listed under her new job? 67.241.11.157 (talk) 20:37, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Season Vs Series
"Initially broadcast on BBC Two on 9 July 2001, the show ran for two seasons plus a two-part Christmas special."

In UK, the usual term is 'series'. Since this is referring to a UK show, it should use UK terminology. The term 'season' is rarely used over here, except for when referring to US shows. I'll wait a month to see what others think and, if nobody objects in that time, I will change it. Zestos (talk) 18:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. If anyone disagrees with me, please bring it up here before reverting. Zestos (talk) 00:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 10:43, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

The Office → The Office (international franchise) — Could not decide on the best name to move this page to, but the point remains that the UK series, as the original, should hold The Office namespace. All the other series are versions of the UK one, remakes if you like, and so the latter should be the main article. U-Mos (talk) 18:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The Office (UK TV series) → The Office
 * Oppose It's a safe argument that the US version is just as notable, maybe eve MORE notable, than the UK version. The Office should remain the page about the overall franchise per disambiguation guidelines.  TJ   Spyke   20:24, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose, per Spyke. User talk:CarlaudeUser talk:Carlaude 03:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose the current disambiguation for US and UK atleast will let people choose the right one. 76.66.196.139 (talk) 11:28, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Incorrect Comparisons
The newest iteration of this list has been updated to reflect the changes in occupations of various characters in the most recent seasons of the US version. However, I don't feel that these updates keep with the intended spirit of the list. For example, Jim Halpert is now listed as being the counterpart of David Brent because both have the title Regional Manager. This conveys the idea that Jim's character was modeled after David even though he clearly is the US Version of Tim Canterbury (note that Jim's name appears nowhere on the list of Tim's counterparts). I think this list needs to be changed so that it does not just match up job titles, but truly matches which characters are based upon each other. In some cases, the job titles will no longer match. - JohnnyGrungetta (talk) 13:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ The section, titled "Character counterparts", reflects peoples' interest in seeing equivalent characters, and not peoples' interest in the character's equivalent occupations. Misterbiologist (talk) 01:10, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ The form that the table is in now completely ignore its actual purpose, it should be limited only to the major characters who actually have counterparts (Tim/Jim, Dawn/Pam, David/Michael, etc.)

Emmy thing
I think that someone has misinterpreted the thing with Steve Carell and Ricky Gervais at the Emmys... What happened is that Gervais had won the previous year, for Extras, but he wasn't there to get the award. So the presenters, Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart said that they were instead giving it to their friend, Steve Carell. The next year, Gervais was presenting an award, and used the opportunity to get his Emmy back. I'm going to remove the misinterpretation from the article. Santa Claus of the Future (talk) 04:49, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Locations?
I just checked the show's location listings on IMDB.com and there's nothing there about it....but on watching the episode where they go to the "beach" for the day and play fake sumo and do the fire-walk at night....I'm reasonably certain that in the background I could see Black Mountain, aka to most people Cypress Mountain (which is the name of teh ski area containing it and where the Olympic aerials/moguls were held) along with profiles of various other Vancouver-area landscape/landmarks; if so the location is a place in Richmond known as the Richmond Sand Dunes (used in 10.5 among many others, including Stargate and Supernatural). I don't watch this show much, but think I've noted other Vancouver landmarks in the background here and there. The mountains in the background couldh ave been somewhere around LA, but the vegetation flanking the slough where the "beach" is just doesn't look atll that Californian, and looks "very BC"; maybe around Santa Clarita, I don't know the area, though..... Thoughts? If anyone else has noted this I may do an update to the IMDB page about the location.....Skookum1 (talk) 22:00, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Afghanistan
There's an Afghanistan version now: WhisperToMe (talk) 04:02, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/07/27/nr.verjee.afghan.office.cnn?hpt=hp_t2

Article needs work
When one looks for The Office, it woild seem that they would be looking for eother the UK or US version. This article is just a list of counterparts of the office. Shouldnt it be named "Counterparts of The Office" or "List of The Office counterparts". Im guessing it was done to avoid debating on which article would be the own without disambiguation.

On another note, maybe a better organized form of this list other than firm and cast. I think we should develop some ideas. I personally believe we should make it resemble an Episodes list. Have the top show the title, the original airing, and the bottom where it would have the summary, just show the cast (in probably 2 columns to save space) and also just keep it to the main characters and not the supporting ones.Lucia Black (talk) 21:52, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

German remake -- "Stromberg"
There's a German remake now, too, titled "Stromberg."

- Although that version is a remake, it does not fit in this scheme. Tanja is not the receptionist and Ulf is not a Senior Sales Representative. (188.109.59.229 (talk) 20:12, 28 October 2017 (UTC))

Other versions (belgian, russian, afghan, czech)
Other comments claim there also are belgian, russian and afghan versions. further claims there's a czech version called kancl. All of them are missing in the current article version, that only features UK, US, french, german, canadian, chilean, israeli, swedish and finnish versions. -- 2001:67C:2184:410:9583:ECD4:1DBA:3699 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:26, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Breadth of the Article
For anyone visiting this page, wouldn't it be best to go more in-depth about the actual plot of this show? Granted, there are slight differences between each version, but ultimately there should be more description of the plot since there is a very minimal amount currently given the popularity of the show. AnAvocado (talk) 16:49, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Japanese Version
The Office's Japanese version is entirely fictional, and as far as I am aware, has never even been considered outside the context of that SNL skit. Unless there is some publicly-available information that everyone has missed, that portion of the chart should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.90.200.1 (talk) 05:32, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Nellie Bertram
Hi all. Just wondering if anybody else feels that Nellie Bertram should be added to the "other office co-workers" section of the counterpart table for the American version? Vesuvio14 (talk) 18:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

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Stromberg?
Should Stromberg be on the page if its not offical? 2007Gtbot (talk) 02:36, 30 May 2023 (UTC)