Talk:The Original Wicked Lester Sessions

First KISS album?
Wondering if this unreleased album from the musical group Wicked Lester, should be categorized as the Rock Group Kiss' first album. Granted, two of the five, and sometimes six members of Wicked Lester, Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons, were founding members of Kiss; and two of the songs that appeared on this album (Love Her All I Can by Stanley and She co-written by Steve Colonel and Simmons)later appeared on Kiss' third album. But, that is were any connection to Kiss ends. Plus, the album was recorded while Wicked Lester was still active and the group had a second record deal already signed (of course which was never completed past pre-production work). The self-titled Kiss Kiss is usually recognized as Kiss' first album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Venetian Isle (talk • contribs) 03:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

The Wicked Lester album is unreleased and should of course not be listed as the first Kiss album in any way anywhere. It's hard to understand what you mean by what you're writing. Also Wicked Lester was never a six piece. Ron LeeJack replaced Steve Coronel. --Mc peko (talk) 09:56, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Long, Long Road
The song "Long, Long Road" was not written by Paul Stanley, but an English writing team. I don't know how to add references, but here is one: https://books.google.no/books?id=hec4AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT156&lpg=PT156&dq=Long,+Long+Road+paul+stanley&source=bl&ots=eAgFIB7XzO&sig=bu1QIiw-7VGZ8p5zyQebmqDLsK0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjB4cC5mqjRAhVMBiwKHYTlA1MQ6AEILDAD#v=onepage&q=Long%2C%20Long%20Road%20paul%20stanley&f=false. KISS: Behind the Mask - Official Authorized Biography. By David Leaf, Ken Sharp. --Mc peko (talk) 09:59, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

About how the album ended up being bought from Epic Records and shelved
I tagged an implausible and uncited statement to the effect that "Several years later, fearing Epic would release the album to capitalize on Kiss' subsequent fame, Simmons and Stanley purchased all rights to the album from Epic (whose then-owners had no idea of Wicked Lester's connection to Kiss) through intermediaries, then shelved it permanently." This story contradicts the story in the main Wicked Lester page, which is cited, although at least one of the citations links to a fan biography essentially created by Kiss itself. Be that as it may, even though record company executives are not always the smartest people in the world, it is unlikely that everyone at Epic Records would be unaware that some songs from this album turned up on later Kiss albums, or that Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons appeared on it and wrote most of its songs, or that the classic Kiss quartet was also the final Wicked Lester lineup. The intermediaries apparently included the owner of Casablanca Records, Neil Bogart (who also produced some of the recordings), and it seems unlikely that no one at Epic Records would fail to suspect a connection between Kiss and their longtime associate. Moreover, the ownership of Epic Records stayed the same throughout the 1970s and 1980s. Finally, of course, some of the material was in fact eventually released. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 21:10, 29 November 2018 (UTC)