Talk:The Poughkeepsie Tapes

BG info is not a Summary
If you do not have valid background information with a source, please refrain from adding any. The idea that this is based on a real serial killer named Kendall Francois is speculation at this point. The only official plot information we really have at this point is what can be seen in the trailer. -Lucid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.125.215 (talk) 01:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I've added some more information and changed a couple outdated things, but i really can't find much information on this movie...Rabid9797 03:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia really the place for viral marketing campaigns for horror movies? This is a fictional film, the events never actually occurred. Somebody less lazy than me should edit the wiki to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)

Wow, yeah. I'm not even part of Wikipedia and this page feels like it was written by the directors trying to explain the film.--152.33.49.192 04:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm just checking up on this page again, this sounds way to much like a movie review. could someone please dumb this down a little? It has some good information about the plot, but it's way to opinionated and too much like a review or written by a critic... Rabid9797 17:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The film's own marketing people are trying to mess with this page so we ought to keep a close eye on it. There was one edit summary that said "this movie is being advertised as real so the wiki page will be real." That's ridiculous, lets keep this page clean, unbiased and out of the hands of viral marketing. 75.72.162.175 (talk) 22:31, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I just removed the following "plot summary." Obviously marketing interference. Can we get an IP ban for the films marketing firm? Ridiculous. 71.17.164.228 (talk) 20:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Real Event, Not Fake.
Okay I went and googled what I could on this Francois guy and if you find the trailer on youtube numerous people from the town have watched the trailer and claimed this is a real event. Here's the article http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/f/kendall_francois/index.html from new york times documenting the case, arrest, and trial. This IS a real event, and the event and the film need to be put in two separate sections. But this is not "speculatory." this IS a real event, and it is NOT a "mockumentary" film mockumentary means a MOCK DOCUMENTARY FILM like Spinal Tap or Best In Show. This, to what we've seen so far, is a MOCK DOCUMENTARY TRAILER and like Prophecies will probably have a real story line. They can't show you people getting murdered for real, so it's obviously not going to include any real footage, but this is a REAL event and wikipedia researchers shouldn't be letting this slip through the cracks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.151.222 (talk) 06:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay Mr. Marketing Event Person for Whatever Marketing Company, first of all, yes a murderer is real (and now behind bars) but as the director spoke of in his interview

the entire film is basically a mockumentary in that it is like how the Bourne Ultimatum is shot in documentary style but of course a fictional story. And what is this "like Prophecies will probably have a real story line" this is a movie, conceptualized and produced by a screenwriter, director and producer. And the event is subject to Wikipedia notability guidelines (and this film is already on thin ice when it comes to notability), and should probably be left off since this movie deviates completely from the "true story." The movie and the "true story" could be as closely related as take for example the movie Juno based somewhere "southwest of St. Cloud" yeah probably once upon a time a guy in high school got a girl pregnant but is every incident then supposedly the "true story" of the movie Juno? Probably not. Anyway you're a marketing person so its not like this is going to be helpful, you have a job a mission and paid money but the WP editors should warn you, WP is not for advertising. Should you continue to violate this I will have you banned for a month. .:DavuMaya:. 07:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Dude I'm a 21 year old student of english literature in a community college in NEW ENGLAND i'm not a DIRECTOR shut the hell up man you even know what you're talking about? I am NOT a marketing person and you should be banned for assuming such insane crap. I am NOT trying to back the movie up i think it looks like a piece of shit and i'm not interested in watching people getting murdered, I had enough of that b.s. with saw, so don't get on my case cuz you can't handle that it's CLEARLY a real event and I was just saying there should be separate articles. And if I get banned for this B.S. i'll be so flipping pissed I use this wikipedia as a source all the time and it's not fair that you guys can go around and block people whenever you feel like it because you don't know diddly squat about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.151.222 (talk) 07:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * that there. That's me. I take offense to the fact that you would assume me to be a marketing person and WARN ME, because I am NOT in marketing and I don't have anything to DO with hollywood or any of it's inner-workings, whatever they may be. --St jimmy86 (talk) 07:39, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * O... kay. For sake of keeping on topic, you are welcome to create a new page anytime and contribute to the WP community assuming you have the sources and capable writing skills which will survive the editing of "you guys" who are actually you, me, your neighbor, everyone in the world, etc. I think you're passion for WP is great but definitely take time to learn more about what an encyclopedia is and how WP operates as. As for TPT, this page is not a discussion forum for the movie but a discussion forum on how to improve the TPT article. So lets discuss that. When you say "it's CLEARLY a real event" do you mean the movie is a real event or the real event is the real event? Since a lot of people read the New York Times they would've known that in 2000, Kendall Francois killed 8 women over two years in that-town-with-a-long-name in fact you read all articles re him or you can just read the article where he was sentenced to 8 life terms  . So yes clearly this is a real event. But again, if you read (as an English major you do read right?) the interview you'll learn how the story was created and fabricated from many different killers and such, so I am very confused as to how this movie is related to the "real story" considering that for example it would be saying any movie that is derived from life experiences becomes automatically connected to that experience, if so, wow the movie industry owes me a lot of money. .:DavuMaya:. 07:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * there is NO article on the actual murders and people (especially during the release of the movie) are going to start looking it up, the real events and the movie events and there should be two separate articles for each. Also, don't mock me, don't patronize me, and if it's fabricated from many different killing incidents, why don't we say that in this article. I looked it up after i saw the trailer and I saw no such notice. Just a lot of jargon such as what awards the movie was up for and other crap like who the main protagonist is. If this is supposed to give information and such, why don't you cite the information you're telling me here and find someone who CAN develop an article to link to this one about the real events that took place there. Not a lot of respect to the departed going here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by St jimmy86 (talk • contribs) 08:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Because these "real events" are not relevant to this article I will ask you to kindly start your own article on WP and end discussion on whatever that is being discussed, which I am not quite capable of understanding. My citations from the link are presented below BirdKr's comment. Happy Holidays! .:DavuMaya:. 08:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * 68.230.151.222 and/or St. Jimmy86 and DavuMaya, please be WP:Civil. Although DavuMaya's response was quite immature with so many false assumptions, the reactions to it were worse as it raised the dispute to another level. Davumaya, please do not pre-judge a user and his/her agenda, if any. St Jimmy86, do not be sensitive to these accusations (Internet after all), and respond in a mature manner. --BirdKr (talk) 07:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

From  "I read somewhere that you used a lot of different influences for this film -- a lot of different serial killer stories. Is that right? JD: It's actually a combination of a number of them, but there's one -- Edmund Kemper. He was a really, really scary guy and we took a lot of pieces from him and we took some from the Green River Killer. There was a guy in Chicago we took pieces from. There was a duo in Michigan who worked together and filmed everything they did, and we took some stuff from them. Some from Ted Bundy too. So we sort of combined a lot of different real stories... That's part of it, it's all very carefully constructed. JD: Our first cut was about 20 minutes longer, and then we cut it down, and then Patrick Lussier, who is a director and who edits all of Wes Craven's movies, he came aboard and helped us really pinpoint like ... this doesn't play completely real, and this doesn't ...' ... so we removed those things and tightened things down and sped stuff up. He really helped us a lot in getting this cut to where it is now. 'I think a lot of the audience, at least at my screening, didn't really catch on that it was a faux documentary until that last scene.'.:DavuMaya:. 08:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Snuff
This looks like it is trying to pose as a snuff film. One wonders if it will eventually cause controversy for that reason. Gabrielthursday (talk) 10:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks to be too shitty for any major controversy or even interest.71.17.164.228 (talk) 18:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks like another torture porn flick. I can't understand the interest in wanting to see people butchered and mutilated, even if it's only acting. Then again, I can't understand why people love reality television so much. Maybe I'm weird for not enjoying misery. Gamer Junkie  T /  C 22:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Official Site?
Why link to a site that no longer exists?--nblschool (talk) 21:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Site has been removed until a new one exists -- my . toa . badz | Talk 14:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Similarities
The Similarities section in this article is, in my opinion, quite weak.

First, from my (admittedly limited) knowledge about Kendall Francois, I can't really see the similarity between that case and this movie, beyond the fact that both Francois and the bad guy in the movie are serial killers from Poughkeepsie. There might very well be some piece of information I'm missing here, but even so it would probably be a good idea to explain the connection more fully.

Second, what's the basis for the claim that the film is based on the crimes of Roy Norris and Lawrence Bittaker? Sure, they were serial killers who recorded their crimes, but in this they were hardly alone. Couldn't one just as well claim that the film is based on the crimes of Myra Hindley and Ian Brady, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka, or Leonard Lake and Charles Ng, all of whom fit that bill just as well? (Which is to say just as poorly.) The whole Similarities section strikes me as pretty useless and conjectural at the moment. --EdwardTattsyrup (talk) 16:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Since no-one else has taken up the torch, I'm removing the references to Norris and Bittaker and tagging the discussion of Francois for the reasons outlined above. And once again, any further explanation of the similarities between this film and the Kendall Francois case would be greatly appreciated. --EdwardTattsyrup (talk) 11:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

How did Victoria know she was talking to the killer?
I don't get it. 189.202.11.69 (talk) 18:48, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Possible real life influences
The actions of the films antagonist share several similarities with a number of real life serial killers, and indeed includes some real life events interwoven into the story. It was previously thought that the film was based upon Kendall Francois, a serial killer basing his crimes in/around Poughkeepsie. This has since been disregarded.

Edmund Kemper - Sometimes enticed victims into his car under the assumption that he was a law enforcement officer.

Gary Ridgway - Known as "The Green River Killer", killed prostitutes and used heavily wooded areas as dumping grounds. Also returned to many victims corpses for acts of necrophilia. Serial killer Ted Bundy gave advice on "the Riverman" case, advising investigators to stake out locations of discovered bodies rather than publicly release details of discovery. This, in part, was included in the film.

David Parker Ray - Held victims captive, subjecting them to intense sexual & physical abuse before killing them. Some of the later crimes were committed in a specially modified truck trailer known as his "toy-box". Also created audio recordings of crimes.

Moors murders - Ian Brady kept a collection of photographs of victims and areas victims were buried. He, along with accomplice Myra Hindley also made and kept audio recordings of the abusive actions.

Dennis Rader - Known as "The B.T.K Killer", methodically stalked victims for extended periods of time before his attacks. Rader also contacted investigators following a number of murders so no one else could claim guilt for them. Noted by psychiatric investigators for his immense ego and savage narcissism.

Jerry Brudos - Took several photographs of his victims during their ordeal and after he had murdered them.

Fred West - Had kept extensive video tapes of his wife, Rose having sex with her clients while acting as a prostitute. Although Bristol police have not released or confirmed this, it is highly speculated that the West's kept videos of their abuse & murders. It has however been confirmed that there are still several dozen images of Fred West abusing young girls in circulation among pedophiles. It has not been confirmed, but is theorized, that these include abuse upon his daughter Heather.

Ted Bundy - Often engaged in acts of necrophilia with victims even past late stages of decomposition. Forensic investigators found body parts of several victims close together. Some reports even stating a head of one victim discovered placed near or on the shoulders of another. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.120.157 (talk) 14:00, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Leonard Lake and Charles Ng - Kept victims as sex slaves for extended periods of time referred to by the killers as "M Ladies". Footage exists of at least one victim and an extensive sex dungeon was discovered in their home base out in a remote wooded area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C67:5180:91:B82B:36D3:EE7:86EE (talk) 04:20, 21 November 2020 (UTC)