Talk:The Rev

The Rev is Religious
In this Avenged Sevenfold article, it states that Synyster Gates says that The Rev is cool and the God of drums Someone should look into this more so that we can get info for this guy's article. --CanesOL79 15:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Whoa! He is religious? I thought none of them were. I will try and look into it more but I highly doubt I will find much about him. He is so mysterious. Most unknown member in the whole band...TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Remember, religious could mean Christian, Satanist, Pagan, or whatever. All I know is that someone claimed that Synyster Gates said that The Rev is religous maybe.email the band or contact their myspace or something. --CanesOL79 21:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok will do. If he is considered to be religious (as in Christianity), I will be veru surprised considering he was kicked out of Catholic School at 2nd grade. I would very much resent any teaching of Christianity afterwards, but that is just me. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The Rev is agnostic. He is not religious, personally, but he has a lot of interest in learning about religions. 66.214.118.69 04:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I think there is some religion in all of A7X! they might be drunk alot and there are three hobbbys: smoking cigarettes, going to bars or clubs, and getting tatooed. besides you ever heard of the term you can't judge a book by its cover, well you cant judge a musician by its music or what it listens to! 12;05-12:15 on January 1 2008

M Shadows said once that he was sad that the rev diedGrungedude22 (talk) 19:36, 6 May 2008 (UTC) what religious because he has tatoos of Jesus on the back of his right forarm and what appears to be the Virgin Mary on the inside of the same armSeb1192 (talk) 17:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

He's agnostic. During the acceptance speach for Best New Artist at the 2006 VMAs, he says "I'd like to thank God. Whichever one I believe in, which I don't know yet." Xanthic-Ztk (talk) 01:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Unless you really know such as being true life friends not FANS of A7X you can't possibly know just what they are really unless they say it. Yes they have said that there is a afterlife and yeah zacky has tats of Jesus and Virgin Mary so having the virgin mary he as well as the others is probably catholic and if they have a holy bible in their homes as shadows looked up sevenfold, no random person just owns one. They also said in the note about praying for his family during the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.26.115 (talk) 22:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC) Jimmy was raised in a Catholic family. He had a Catholic funeral and he is buried in a Catholic Cemetery. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.176.28.10 (talk) 13:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC) Yes he did say whichever god he believed in but after that in the acceptance speech Jimmy says just kidding dad, proving he does believe in GOD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.108.29.37 (talk) 00:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC) well, he never really got married, but he did get a ring tatooed on his ring finger.

This Article Needs To Be Cleaned Up
he was not gay.

Nope Avenged Sevenfold FoREVeR (talk) 20:13, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikify
Hello chaps - I've cleaned this up. Please try and refrain from phrases such as 'he was heard saying' unless you can back it up with a reliable source! Thanks, Hawker Typhoon 02:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Sources, please
Hiya everyone :) Please source this material reliably and verifiably (see WP:CITE). That means no MySpace. Social pages, blogs, etc are not reliable sources. That means that, as acceptable sources go, this article has just one. I know this guy's got to have a lot of fans since this article's survived so long--won't someone rescue the Rev before someone nominates him for deletion? Wysdom 17:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Cleaned up again
Please read and love and live WP:BLP and WP:CITE. Myspace=NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE. And the one that was used for the reference for his alleged engagement/marriage--I went there just on the off chance that there was posted somewhere a quote, snippet, whatever from a "real" source (so I wouldn't have to just be mean and delete the info?) but c'mon, people! Private page???

Biographies of living people are taken seriously here--you can't just say whatever you want. Learn what reliable sources are and cite them when you're adding info. If you don't have a reliable source (by Wikipedia's definition) to back it, don't add it. Thanks! Wysdom 10:29, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Christ, don't get me started on these articles! It's a full time job keeping them clean. If you say anything even slightly iffy, remove it hard and fast. Better to have no information than incorrect information! Hawker Typhoon 00:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

It was one source, not that hard to get rid of, Hawker.

Birthday
The Rev's birthday is February 9th, 1981. There is finally something in print to confirm this - Shadows had the crowd sing happy birthday to him on February 9th at their Spokane, Washington gig per an article by Sarah Linker writing in the Daily Evergreen: "Later, the band announced that it was The Rev’s (the drummer’s) birthday. The crowd was invited to sing along to the “Happy Birthday” tune before A7X proceeded to play the next song." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkbat (talk • contribs) 20:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

His birthday is Feb 9th - maybe someday someone will ask him and resolve this.....

Someone has changed Rev's birthday to February 9th. Is this a correct change? Because everywhere else says the 10th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.200.195 (talk) 17:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC) annnd, you can't ask him now, seeing as how he's gone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.54.126.209 (talk) 22:43, 11 July 2010 (UTC) The Rev's birthday is on february 9th 1981, because on Avenged Sevenfolds new album (nightmare) it says "R.I.P Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan 02/09/81-12/28/09"

Fancruft
This article is fancruft, particularly the detailed breakdown of the hardware.67.163.175.48 (talk) 23:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC) The Rev's birthday is February 9th. There is finally something in print to confirm this - Shadows had the crowd sing happy birthday to him on February 9th at their Spokane, Washington gig per an article by Sarah Linker writing in the Daily Evergreen: "Later, the band announced that it was The Rev’s (the drummer’s) birthday. The crowd was invited to sing along to the “Happy Birthday” tune before A7X proceeded to play the next song." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkbat (talk • contribs) 20:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

The Rev's Cause of Death
There is no information regarding the cause of death for Sullivan and no links to the claim that he perished as a result of trama from falling. This needs to be removed as many come to this site for factual guidence and do not look for sources attached. Lk1016 (talk) 08:18, 29 December 2009 (UTC)LK

Note that "natural causes" is not a real cause of death, so there is no need for such descriptions.Ykral (talk) 12:31, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Nice. Crap the line about his death up with incorrect grammar, and then lock it so that nobody can edit it. Brilliant. 137.186.145.70 (talk) 16:55, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

In one article I read it said that firefighters responded to his home around 1 p.m. Does anyone know if it was the Rev himself who called for medical assistance or his wife possibly? No his girlfriend called 911. SarahStar 10 (talk) 19:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Heart failure due to chronic cocaine abuse. Who cares, what a shitty band. 71.116.54.77 (talk) 05:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC) Dude fuck you, everybody has their own taste of music. When a fucking band member dies you don't turn around say, "oh, they were a shitty band anyway". Grow up you heartless bitch.

Avenged Sevenfold has many caring fans who were extremely sad with his death...the least you could do is provide a little sympathy instead of criticizing their works (which are far better than anything you could ever write)...67.236.143.201 (talk) 20:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Theres no way you could possibly know if their stuff is better than what that editor could write. --76.15.222.77 (talk) 22:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

To prior 'editor': following your logic, there is no way you could know that he could not know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lk1016 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, source (8) does not lead to relevant material pertaining to the sentence it is placed after. As a result, the statement that "an autopsy has been done and found inconclusive" needs to be removed. I do not have the prilivilge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lk1016 (talk • contribs) 00:44, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Natural Causes?
A 28 year old can not die of natural causes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.46.64 (talk) 04:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * They sure can. --HubHikari (talk) 05:38, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ...Are you kidding me? "Natural causes" can refer to anything from a stroke to a heart condition to cancer.  Are you telling me you've never known, or at least heard of, someone at the age of 28 or younger who died of cancer?  If you haven't, I suggest you visit a children's hospital.  137.186.145.70 (talk) 01:51, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

The phrase is meaningless and useless. Actually they just mean to say the death does not look like a murder or suicide. The phrase should not be used.Ykral (talk) 09:36, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Since police officials used the term, it should most assuredly be used until the true cause of death is known. It comes from an official source, and therefore falls within Wikipedia's standards. Given that The Rev was well known for his own special brand of debauchery, I doubt it will remain the official cause of death, but until the autopsy results come back, it's the best we've got.  Leave it be.  137.186.145.70 (talk) 01:51, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

If it wasnt natural causes, drugs for example that would be an intoxication death.. sounds alot different from natural causes... although nobody knows right now so until its officially announced, just leave it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.71.11 (talk) 11:37, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

To Ykral: You yourself say that 'natural causes' means that evident foul play is not present. Thus the term has value. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lk1016 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC) R.I.P jimmy " the riv" owen sullivan

Lose the advertising
Advertising a Facebook campaign group? This is Wikipedia folks, not some message board. Let's purge this shit.

I considered complaining to myself about the plugging, but instead I decided to delete it. I intended to clean up the rest of the article but the blatant fanboy faggotry is making my eyes hurt. --Tim Rampage 11:08, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request
==Death== The comment from his band members on the Avenged Sevenfold website

"It is with great sadness and heavy hearts that we tell you of the passing today of Jimmy “The Rev” Sullivan. Jimmy was not only one of the world's best drummers, but more importantly he was our best friend and brother. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Jimmy's family and we hope that you will respect their privacy during this difficult time. Jimmy you are forever in our hearts. We love you. M Shadows, Synyster Gates, Zacky Vengeance and Johnny Christ"

This should be added to the article underneath the Death heading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahouseago (talk • contribs) 19:38, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome and thanks for contributing. We can't take the entire statement off of that website without running into copyright issues; giving credit to the source just avoids the appearance of plagarism, it doesn't help with the implied copyright and I couldn't find anything on the site that gave permission to copy freely. Celestra (talk) 22:16, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with not including the quote, but not with the copyright reasoning. We include quotes in articles all the time. As long as they aren't extensive, and they bear the quotation marks and attribution, it should be fine. That said though, I don't think the quote really adds anything to the article. Every death of a notable person comes with condolences by people who knew them, and I don't see that this particular one adds any information or clarity to the article. Equazcion  ( talk ) 22:44, 31 Dec 2009 (UTC)

That is a good point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahouseago (talk • contribs) 18:59, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Steven DuBois
I think the part about a drummer called Steven DuBois should be removed. The only source for it is Steven DuBois' own website, which is very lacking other than what seems to be a copy and pasted article about The Rev's death and a video of Steven drumming. I've researched him and cannot find much to support that he isn't just a regular fan. DonCotterillio (talk) 16:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

January 12 2010 Post is still up. Some one please remove it. This kid is just trying to capitalize on The Rev's death and has nothing to do with the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Riot904 (talk • contribs) 22:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree, who IS "Steven DuBois"?? 90.194.175.23 (talk) 02:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC) Most of this article seems to have been written by an over-excited juvenile. It's not only badly written, but also has a whole effing section about his tattoos, and oh gosh, just read it. This article is clearly written by a teenager who has been told they can write... but they can not. Talking about this person as if he was some sort of Ghandi or whatever. It's laughable. "There was also a tattoo behind his right ear of what appeared to be a bird. He sported a labret piercing and an industrial piercing in his left ear. He was also the tallest member of Avenged Sevenfold." What the fuck? Sure, facts are fun, but this is stupid.

Steven DuBois is at it again, using a reference for his own site. Please remove this guy's statements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Surge24 (talk • contribs) 04:34, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Cause of death
any information on the autopsy yet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Br00talelectro (talk • contribs) 07:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Someone has put down something about Paris Hilton in the cause of death part. Can someone please remove this. This is just ridiculous..the fact that someone would make a joke about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by B-Shadz (talk • contribs) 02:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

False slander under Cause of Death
Please, somebody remove the false trolling crap that's been posted under his cause of death. Thefowles1 (talk) 04:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I am furious with what this person has put about The Rev's cause of death being. Please someone who cares about this band or just has a heart remove this slander. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akatsukipain93 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request#2
The statement below is from Sullivan's family and was posted upon the Avenged Sevenfold website: www.avengedsevenfold.com

MESSAGE FROM THE SULLIVAN FAMILY We would like to thank all of Jimmy’s fans for the heartfelt comments that have been posted – it is comforting to know that his genius and antics were appreciated and that he was loved so much. Our hearts are broken – he was much too young to fall.

February 9, 1981 – December 28, 2009 Óg agus saor go deo (forever young and free)

Barbara & Joe, Kelly & Katie & the extended Sullivan family

Just thought it might be a nice addition to the site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ojpyro (talk • contribs) 13:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Image
Um, can't someone just upload a decent picture, and leave it alone?! 90.194.175.7 (talk) 09:12, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

from jones
WElcome Paradise Friend —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.138.215.13 (talk) 03:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

The Rev was not married. http://www.hbindependent.com/articles/2010/02/12/top_stories/hbi-pipeline02182010.txt —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbrown1193 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Image and Clean-ups
Still, it's been roughly a week or two and an image of him has not been put back up. It needs to stop being changed/removed. Also, Steven DuBois' statement STILL lingers. It needs to be removed, being that it is in no way helpful to understanding The Rev. His source also links to his OWN website in which the article there was just copied as well with his additives.Surge24 (talk) 15:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: not a memorial
About this edit by User:D33deed33guy. Re: "Wikipedia is not a memorial yet Michael Jackson has a whole memorial page? Re added bands statements. Show some respect at least." The Rev was not exactly Michael Jackson. And Wikipedia isn't about "showing respect", it's supposed to be completely neutral. ×××BrightBlackHeaven(talk)××× 07:10, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

r.i.p. rev —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.157.152.74 (talk) 16:13, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

This Article is Failing at its Purpose Right Now...
It is obvious why the section about the Rev's drum equipment was removed, but the article just looks kind of sad and lonely without it. (hint hint) --184.36.203.197 (talk) 14:09, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from P.leduchowska, 23 September 2010
There's a grammar mistake underneath the picture of the drumset - it says "Music Video's" and it should say "music videos" (saxon genitive is not used for making plurals and both words should start with lowercase letters cause it's English not German ;) )

P.leduchowska (talk) 13:07, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done  elektrik SHOOS  13:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

False Information on Save Me?
Where is it stated by the band that The Rev played on the song Save Me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.108.12 (talk) 23:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Musical Collaborations?
I think we need to update The Rev's associating acts thing. He played drums on Brian Haner's previous album 'Cougar Bait' and he played drums on one track [Bring my Baby Back] from 'Fist Fight at the Waffle House'. He recorded it before he had passed away. I don't have permission to add this in on Jimmy's page.

Brian posted the following on his facebook page. "Brian HanerGetting lots of messages and e-mails so I will clarify once again. The Rev played on ALL songs on my last CD, "Cougar Bait", but only one song on the new CD, "Fistfight at the Wafflehouse."18 hours ago

"Brian Haner I should clarify because I always forget how psychotic Avenged fans are about details. The Rev played drums on only one song on my new CD, "Bring My Baby Back". To the best of my knowledge, it was the last thing he recorded in the studio ON DRUMS. It was recorded shortly before the Nightmare CD."

Eshotgunxsinnere (talk) 21:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)eShotgunxSinnere

Save Me Correction "Fiction" was the last song Jimmy worked on. They said that he came to them with it practically finished and he said something about that this would be the last song on the album and then I believe within a week of him saying that to the band is when he died. So how could he have worked on "Save Me" if "Fiction" was the last song he wrote. Here is the quote. "The eeriest thing about it is there is a song on the album called "Fiction" (a nickname The Rev gave himself) which started out with the title "Death". And the song was the last song The Rev wrote for the album, and when he handed it in, he said, that’s it, that’s the last song for this record. And then 3 days later, he died." This was on Wikipedia's Avenged Sevenfold page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avenged_Sevenfold Originally from Deathbat News http://deathbatnews.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/tons-of-details-on-avenged-sevenfold-entitled-nightmare/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Njbryant42 (talk • contribs) 07:47, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from KellanS, 3 January 2011
edit semi-protected

In the article, it says Jimmy played the piano on "Warmness on the Soul". According to the CD jackets, Synyster played piano on both "Warmness on the Soul", and "Sidewinder". However, The Rev did play the piano for "Seize the Day". So, please substitute "Seize the Day" for "Warmness on the Soul".

KellanS (talk) 20:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Alpha Quadrant    talk    18:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Under the Career section, it says "His piano-playing can be heard on the tracks "Warmness on the Soul", "Fiction" and "Save Me"." Please change this so it reads: "His piano-playing can be heard on the tracks "Seize The Day", "Fiction" and "Save Me"."

Additionally, according the CD jackets, The Rev's vocals were used on "Strength Of The World" and "The Art Of Subconscious Illusion" so the section that says "His vocals are featured in Avenged Sevenfold's "A Little Piece of Heaven", "Brompton Cocktail", "Critical Acclaim", "Crossroads", "Gunslinger", "Lost", "Scream", "Afterlife", and "Fiction"." should instead read "His vocals are featured in Avenged Sevenfold's "The Art Of Subconscious Illusion", "Strength Of The World", "A Little Piece of Heaven", "Brompton Cocktail", "Critical Acclaim", "Crossroads", "Gunslinger", "Lost", "Scream", "Afterlife", and "Fiction"." I believe he also had vocal parts in "Seize The Day" but I'll check on that to be sure.KellanS (talk) 19:38, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Hehe
I think it may be time for a new pic of the Rev up here~ :D (FoREVer Jimmys (talk) 07:35, 4 January 2011 (UTC))

Edit request from Nialperry918, 29 July 2011
I would like to edit The Rev's wikipedia page because I would like to add a photo on to the page. I will get a very good photo of him from google that I think everyone would like and respect.

Nialperry918 (talk) 19:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: see Image use policy. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 21:50, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Yay, THANK YOU! I was about to request that same thing. Thank you for taking the time to look for a photo that can be respected by the audience! Goldieloxie (talk) 02:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Change photo
Request for someone to change the photo of the Rev. Seriously, why this photo? There are hundreds of better photos of the Rev than this one, he looks like he hasn't showered in days and has just woken up with a hangover on this picture. Post a photo of him actually playing drums instead of a photo of him at a boring interview.. The two previous ones were great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hammerhigh (talk • contribs) 18:09, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 24.54.13.27, 8 September 2011
Please change the born date to 10 Feburary and not 09.

24.54.13.27 (talk) 02:14, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 03:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism
Just reverted the entire page because someone vandalized it. Please check to be sure any recent changes were not accidently reverted as well. Gothangelblood (talk) 15:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 July 2013
In the section about what songs he wrote, "Fiction" is listed twice.

98.182.16.118 (talk) 18:20, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done BryanG (talk) 02:41, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2014
I would like to replace the picture of The Rev with a better one, because I feel the current picture does not do him justice.

Jarebare555 (talk) 22:16, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Vague requests to add, update, modify, or improve an image are generally not honored unless you can point to a specific image already uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons that you would like included on this article. Please note that any image used on any Wikipedia article must comply with the Wikipedia image use policy, particularly where copyright is concerned. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 23:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Picture subtitle
"James (The Rev) Sullivan in better times (alive)"

I thought about changing this but it was sincerely so funny I'd rather leave like that. 177.125.82.172 (talk) 01:53, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request: Drumkit displays
The hard rock cafe in gatlinburg, tennessee has been closed. dont know where it moved too, but the drumset is no longer there unfortunatelyRisingagainst3 (talk) 03:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * The Address of the old Hard Rock Cafe is now a Dennys. Wtf, where is the Revs drum kit moved too?
 * It was moved to the Hard Rock Hotel in Las Vegas. I know because I was there in past few years, and got to see it in person. Boomer VialHolla 16:12, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

merge proposal
Propose merging Pinkly Smooth with this page as it currently fails WP:MUSIC. Karst (talk) 15:18, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * 47.55.199.206 (talk) 14:23, 31 May 2015 (UTC)Merge!!!
 * [EDIT] NEVER! what a stupid idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.14.16.153 (talk) 12:04, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Support Honestly Pinkly Smooth is a side project of a deceased rock star, and has also been defunct since his passing. The article is also a stub, and being as the band/side project is pretty much dead since The Rev died, it is of little importance. Boomer VialHolla 16:10, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

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The Rev → James Sullivan (musician, born 1981) – This musician is not the primary topic for the article title The Rev User:力 (powera, π,  ν ) 00:14, 23 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 晚安 (トークページ) 15:44, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @力 And what is? Not saying the argument is wrong but we need to at least understand what the primary topic is proposed to be, or it will just become a redirect? -- ferret (talk) 00:26, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The hatnote text is For the style used when addressing clergy, see the Reverend which is where this should be targeted. (without a hatnote on that page?  If it needs a hatnote, maybe there's a DAB that can be the target) User:力 (powera,  π,  ν ) 00:32, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * "The Rev" is by far Sullivan's commonly known name as a professional. How will readers find him by that expected alias following this move? From a hatnote alone? -- ferret (talk) 00:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. 87.254.76.249 (talk) 22:59, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose: "The Rev" is his common name --FMSky (talk) 01:04, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There is no other article that would reasonably be titled "The Rev", so there is no title conflict. Not to mention The Rev gets almost twice the |The_Rev pageviews of The Reverend anyway. Station1 (talk) 04:27, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Common name of the subject. Hatnote suffices. No other specific subject by this name. -- ferret (talk) 13:52, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * support the title has more long term significance—blindlynx 01:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The title is not commonly, and certainly not in any official capacity, used in this shortened form. -- ferret (talk) 01:42, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You what? It absolutely is! -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:58, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

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 * Support The Rev (musician, born 1981). The Rev should redirect to The Reverend, of which it is a common abbreviation, far, far better known than this person. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:27, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support use of The Rev in reference to Reverends predates this musician, per ngrams. BilledMammal (talk) 13:52, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Predating is not a strong argument for PTOPIC. Windows very much predates Microsoft's usage, but we recognize the modern expectation of readers to find the Microsoft topic. -- ferret (talk) 15:16, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It counters your argument The title is not commonly, and certainly not in any official capacity, used in this shortened form. It also tells us that the primary topic by long term significance is The Reverend, and the consistency of use in recent years tells us that most uses of the term continued to refer to The Reverend, not to this musician. BilledMammal (talk) 16:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced the ngram link is an accurate picture. Searching on The Rev may be including partial matches. By contrast, search on "The Rev" with quotations brings an interesting detail to view, that after the 2000s when the artist was relevant, modern use of the term spiked. -- ferret (talk) 18:08, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It started increasing in 1995, before this musician became active, and the move request discusses the title The Rev, not "The Rev" - comparing the two shows that there is minimal use of the latter compared to the former. BilledMammal (talk) 03:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The problem is that search engines, without the quotations, you are partial matching. The search isn't for "The Rev", with quotations. The quotations make the search be for an exact match, they aren't included in the results itself. Otherwise, you're catching the use of "The Rev." as an abbreviation. And if that's your intent, that's fine, but the argument is that "The Rev" by itself is a title in use. -- ferret (talk) 14:00, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ngrams doesn't work like that; when you search for "The Rev", you are searching for it with quotations. BilledMammal (talk) 00:35, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Let's take a look at outgoing links though. The hatnote to "Reverend" is not even in the top 20 links that readers click to off this article. So we're not seeing lots of readers end up here expecting to read about the title and click through. -- ferret (talk) 15:40, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, essentially per Station1. I find it unrealistic that most people arrive on this page searching for The Reverend, given that "the rev" on Google primarily gives me results for this guy, so the hatnote seems fine. (And if this is moved, it doesn't need "born 1981" in the title, unless there's a conflicting musician named The Rev I missed...) Nohomersryan (talk) 22:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

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His Resting Place
James is laid to rest at the Good Shepherd Cemetery in Huntington Beach, California. I know we can't cite findagrave.com so I linked a Youtube video, but that was removed. There seems to be quite a few pictures of his tombstone online, so I was wondering if that can be added. Cahlin29 (talk) 20:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)