Talk:The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars/Archive 2

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Rick Wakeman
The article says he was offered the chance to play keyboards on the album, but turned it down in order to join Yes. The listing of personnel includes him. Why the contradiction? My memory of the credits on the back of the LP is that he was credited with keyboards, but as I don't have a copy any more, I'm not about to delete the denial that he did do so. Lovingboth (talk) 21:20, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe what he was offered was the chance to become a permanent member of the group, and turned that down for Yes -- if we want to include this tidbit and need a citation I can probably find it... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:57, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Allmusic says that Rick Wakeman played on the album. But Apparently he is not on the credits of the original vynil album.--Wiki Factualizor (talk) 22:50, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Rick Wakeman is not mentioned playing piano on the album, Mick Ronson is credited with it. I have the LP to confirm this. --Sideburndude (talk) 02:22, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you find another citation saying that Rick Wakeman is not creditted? --Wiki Factualizor (talk) 02:57, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, on all the websites I have been on Rick Wakeman was never credited with playing on this album or being a part of "The Spiders from Mars" (The Wikipedia page "The Spiders from Mars" says this too). In addition Rick Wakeman was never mentioned in the CD booklet or included in any pictures with the band.  This leads me to believe he was never a part of this album. --Sideburndude (talk) 23:24, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Big Jim Sullivan
Session Guitarist Big Jim Sullivan claims to have played on this album.


 * He claimed to have played on other albums that he clearly didn't play on. DavidRavenMoon (talk) 22:00, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Genre(s)
Glam Rock is not the Genre of an Audio song, It is a performance style. I have changed the genre of this Album to Pop Rock as said by this referance: http://www.allmusic.com/album/ziggy-stardust-r2473. If You disagree with Glam Rock not being able to an audio genre please say so. Wiki Factualizor (talk) 23:15, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The Wikipedia article refers to glam rock as a music style and a rock genre. —C.Fred (talk) 23:35, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * So then should the album genre be called Rock Music? Wiki Factualizor (talk) 00:02, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Certainly not if you're using an upper-case "M" ;) -- WikHead (talk) 00:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Then Rock music --Wiki Factualizor (talk) 00:20, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I strongly suggest we just stick with Glam Rock or possibly Art rock too. --Sideburndude (talk) 03:30, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Glam rock is nor a genre that can be associated with a certain sound, Glam Rock is a Performance style. I agree it is an art rock album but I do not beleive I could get a verafiable source or consensus.--Wiki Factualizor (talk) 22:47, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Music ratings missing
The Circus and PopMatters ratings have dissapeared, can someone correct it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.233.245.32 (talk) 00:28, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Location of cover and phone booth
The Article says that a new red phone both replaced a modern blue booth which in turn replaced the booth on the cover, at the location of the cover shot. However, if you look at photos of the location as it looks now, and in the recent past, which are easy to find, there is no phone both at all in that location. DavidRavenMoon (talk) 22:03, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

"atonal and rhythmically irregular tape effects"?
This is a weird phrase that seems not to describe the recording. The cited source is behind a paywall, so it's impossible to check, but regardless of its veracity I propose it is inappropriate for the header of such a long article unless it can be shown to be the consensus of critics. Thoughts? 50.156.35.227 (talk) 01:21, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Autoharp
Yes, it does sound like an autoharp, rather than a harpsichord, on "Five Years", but what's the source for that? And it certainly is a harpsichord and not a piano on "It Ain't Easy" (whether or not it was actually Wakeman - see above)? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Newly surfaced release date
New information was posted on the official David Bowie Facebook account concerning the release date of this album. The staff states, backed by a communication from RCA's product manager, that the release date of the album was June 16th 1972 (Friday), and not June 6th as it was generally believed.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/davidbowie/photos/a.424610777664.193516.30899502664/10152812379637665/?type=1

This information should be reflected in the Wikipedia page of the album, mentioning the source and maybe the confusion about the date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamuzajoe (talk • contribs) 20:19, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Release date
This album entered the Billboard Bubbling Under the Top LP's chart the week ending June 10, 1972 and the survey period for that chart would have been Monday, May 22 to Sunday, May 28, indicating a release date of June 6 would be quite impossible. The album first appeared in the Billboard FM Action report in the June 3 issue and that report typically covers a seven-day period ending 10 days prior to the issue date, or May 24. The album appeared in the new album reviews section of Cash Box and the "Hits of the Week" section of Record World in the May 27 issues. The album also appeared in Record Worlds FM airplay report in the May 27 issue and an article about the album in that issue says that the album "is available." All of this information points to a release date during the week of May 22 at the latest. Piriczki (talk) 17:34, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * About Record World, couldn't it be an error or just publicity? (May 27 issue). I found nothing about Cash Box or Billboard Bubbling Under the Top LPs. But there's really a confusion about the release date. For example, Buckley mentions the release date as 6 June, and Buckley (2012), Auslander (2006), O'Leary (2015) and even Mick Woodmansey cite the release date as simply "June 1972". – electric  Controller  20:21, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I am confident in the UK release date of June 16 not just because it comes from davidbowie.com but because they verified that date from contemporary documentation from RCA Records (see the discussion above). As for the US release date, I was unable to find anything specific. The original version of this article did not cite any sources and had varying and wildly inaccurate release dates shown at different times, all without sources so I am wary of anything published after 2002. I don't know where the release date of June 6 came from or whether that is supposed to be for the UK or US. It may have come from an erroneous assumption floating around Wikipedia that an album's release date is 11 days prior to its chart debut date. I suggest leaving the UK release date in the article since it appears to be accurate and is cited, and if it is left as simply "June 1972" that will just invite constant changes with users trying to add specific and likely inaccurate dates to the article. Readers might also assume it was released in the US in June which doesn't seem possible. Piriczki (talk) 15:50, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


 * It seems reasonable. – electric  Controller  16:24, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Also, I found the Billboard reference. – electric  Controller  16:41, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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Influenced by, or influential?
The following sentence...
 * "The album, and the character of Ziggy Stardust, were influenced by glam rock..."

...doesn't seem right to me. Although it's true that Marc Bolan is generally credited with kicking Glam Rock off, there is no question that David Bowie picked up the baton and ran with it pretty quickly. My point is that I would say the album INFLUENCED and expanded Glam Rock, not that it was influenced by it, as though it was jumping on the bandwagon. If you see what I mean? FillsHerTease (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:14, 21 April 2018 (UTC)