Talk:The Roches/Archive 1

What was the group's start date?
Based on the info in the first paragraph of the "Career" section, it seems hard to justify the year given in the infobox (and now also in a category) of 1973. If their start was when Maggie and Terre formed their duo then it should be earlier, but if you take the view that it was when Suzze joined them then it should be later. JH (talk page) 10:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

New Albums
Terre Roche put out a new album called Imprint in 2015. I don't know how to edit with any confidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amigammon (talk • contribs) 20:40, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion
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Maggie
I don't think the article on Maggie Roche has anything which shouldn't be in this article. Discuss? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 23:49, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge. I agree.  Merge Maggie Roche into this one.   There's no indication thus far that she did anything outside of the Roches to justify a freestanding article.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:51, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge. As above. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:53, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge Ditto.Chip.berlet (talk) 13:45, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * do no merge multiple reliable sources including a NYTimes obit about the individual means she is notable in her own right. see also Paul Simon and Simon & Garfunkel Queen-washington (talk) 20:04, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't see why. What exactly did she do, outside of the Roches, that made her separately notable? You're comparing her with Paul Simon? Really?? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:09, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course the obituary was only for her - other band members did not die. That does not make her individually notable.  We should be guided by WP:BAND, in particlar: "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases."  Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * the criteria is notability. she garnered an obit in the NYTimes with extensive reliable information about her. that makes her notable. what part of WP:GNG do you not understand? by the same logic you might have to merge all the biographies of musicians "principally known" for membership in one group. wp:band 1 "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself" = NYTimes + Guardian. Queen-washington (talk) 21:25, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * No, sorry, I don't understand. And, by the way, "by the same logic", I am proposing nothing of the kind. Yes, OK, Maggie is the one who's dead. I'm sorry for that, but that's how you get an obit. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG is a general notability guideline. Where there are more specific criteria - such as for musicians at WP:BAND - we use them.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:47, 25 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep freestanding article. Subject here has multiple obituaries in reliable sources including the New York Times. econterms (talk) 19:02, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Could you explain how that fits in with WP:SINGER, particularly: "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." (My emphasis.)   Thanks.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:16, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The obituary writers don't get a choice - it's either an article about that one person or nothing, whether or not they were only famous as part of a group. They don't generally wait for the whole group to die. They don't need to follow Wikipedia policy. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * the obituary writers have a choice, they can write an obituary in which case the subject are notable, or not in which case they are not. you have a choice, you can follow GNG and Band and singer, ("1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself") in which case the notable singer has an article, or not in which case you merge. Queen-washington (talk) 19:21, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * How does having an obituary published show that she "demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band"?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:34, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Do the obituaries include material showing that she was notable in her own right? Would the songs that she wrote make her notable, given that for the most part she wrote those on her own? Have her songs been covered by groups/artists other than the Roches? JH (talk page) 09:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, we'd want to answer those questions. As it stands, I don't think the stand-alone article shows any of that. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:59, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * see also Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(music)/Archive_13 -- Queen-washington (talk) 19:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Would you care to summarise that huge wall of text there and how it relates to this discussion? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Early Photographs of Maggie and Terre Roche by Wikipedian Chip Berlet
Hello. I am the photographer of numerous photographs taken with the explicit permission of Maggie and Terry Roche who performed under that name before they were joined by their sister Suzzy. Maggie and Terre appeared when we were all high-school students at a coffeehouse I helped run in 1967 in northern New Jersey. My photographs of a variety of people and palces and events have been published in several countries, and appear on several book cover published by reputable commercial and academic publishers. Contrary to some erroneous assertions, I am the sole legal owner of the photographs I intend to post on Wikimedia. I sold the rights to one photograph to a record company and it appears on the cover of the first album by Maggie and Terre Roche Seductive Reasoning. Several of my photographs of Maggie and Terre Roche have been published in print publications over several decades. Contrary to any other assertions, these photographs I plan to upload are my sole legal property. I intend to upload a small selection of these early photographs that already have appeared in print to Wikimedia Commons. If there are objections raised to my posting these on Wikimedia Commons, please contact me immediately here below. I have posted these photographs several times and they keep getting deleted. I understand that some overly-zealous Wikipedia Editor may choose to simply delete them again pending conformation of my sole rights of ownership. But if you intend to do so without discussion, please show me the courtesy of sending me a notice, so this matter can be discussed immediately among fellow my Wikipedia editors. I am 70 and would like this matter resolved sooner rather than later. Thanks. Chip.berlet (talk) 22:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Authorship attribution
The original version of this page was based on content from The Roaches. See the edit history of that page for information on the authorship of that content. -- Oliver P. 19:43, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)

Removal of photo
Why was the band photo deleted? It is a publicity still provided by the band from its website