Talk:The Room Where It Happened

Is this letter in the public domain?
Victor Grigas (talk) 02:01, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/01/29/attachment.1.pdf
 * https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6727-bolton-lawyer-letter/6ec64dfab61cecc9ac2b/optimized/full.pdf
 * "Re: Prepublication Security Review of Book Manuscript by Ambassador John Bolton"
 * is a copy "hand delivered"
 * 24.7.104.84 (talk) 23:14, 1 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The letter from National Security Council employee is public domain as it's a product of the United States government. The response from Cooper & Kirk is copyright. Both letters can be linked to from the article as sources but using a WP:SECONDARY source such as CNN is better. The letters are WP:PRIMARY material. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 03:31, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

"The Room Where It Happens"
Is there any way to determine if the book's title was deliberately chosen to borrow pop-cultural cachet from a signature song in Lin-Manuel Miranda's hit musical, Hamilton? It seems as if Miranda brought the phrase into usage, and Bolton's title attempts to appropriate it. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 22:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

The NY Times makes note of this "coincidence," at ‘Hamilton’ Makes a Curious Cameo in Trump Impeachment Trial. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 22:25, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Challenging material in the lead section
I have challenged certain material in the lead section. The lead section is supposed to reflect the most significant material in the body of the article.


 * South Korean government reaction - Not so important that it needs to be in the lead section (was not one of the more significant aspects of the book).
 * Content cited to "theBL.com" - Some not reflected in the body of the article. More importantly, there is no indication that "theBL.com" is a reliable source.
 * Block quote cited to "theBL.com" - same unreliable source, and also excessive weight. Block quotes are to be used sparingly even in the body of articles and are virtually never used in the lead section. It also is totally unnecessary because we can summarize the government's claims in a sentence.
 * Reactions/responses between Trump and Bolton re the book - does not belong in lead section, so moved to move.

Because this content has been challenged, consensus must be achieved here if an editor wishes to restore any of it (WP:ONUS). This is especially the case given the BLP implications of the article. Neutralitytalk 14:08, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned references in The Room Where It Happened
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of The Room Where It Happened's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "thehill": From Bibliography of Donald Trump:  From Lindsey Graham: Retrieved June 21, 2015. From Trump Revealed:  From Guy Snodgrass:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 21:27, 29 July 2020 (UTC)