Talk:The Ruined Maid

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The text is pd, taken from the source given: Poems of the Past and Present, Thomas Hardy, Harper & Bros, NY, 1902. INeverCry  03:41, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

What I plan to add this article: So the first thing I’m going to do for this article is break down the stanzas. Each stanza, or word for that matter was put there for a reason, so I’m hoping to find articles from legitimate sources that already analyze the poem and I’ll just piece it together. Even though this poem is satyr there is still meaning behind what Thomas Hardy is saying.

The next thing I’m going to do for the article is discuss the history. What is going on during the time when the article was written. I won’t analyze the facts myself but the reader can refer to history to maybe make sense of what is going on in the poem, they can infer for themselves and come up with their own ideas just based on the facts I have given them. Since I am talking about the history, I will go into what is happening with Thomas Hardy life at the time because that will help the reader understand his intentions with the poem even further.

The last thing I am going to add to the page is criticisms of the poem. Even though poetry is a wonderful thing, there will always be people that argue against it. I will find at least three sources of critics of the poem and discuss what their point of view on the poem is. I think that by adding all of these sections there will be a complete and decent article on Wikipedia so people can understand and learn about “the ruined maid”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SalenaLC (talk • contribs) 00:28, 8 May 2015 (UTC) --SalenaLC (talk) 19:19, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Looks good so far! You mention in the themes section that there is irony in the poem. This is interesting, and perhaps could be elaborated on a little more? I'm assuming that you are still planning on filling in more details before Sunday. :) Good luck! Sarah darling01 (talk) 22:17, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Do you think that you need more citations in the introduction? The rest is great and you have a lot of good information.JessicaPGonzalez (talk) 19:17, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I would condense the analyis and theme sction into a single section, Additionally I would expand more on the sections you have now if possible, beyond that it looks good --Bauermen (talk) 21:06, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Apparently inauthentic first verse
In the version sung by Elsa Lanchester (not Zaimont's), there is a previous verse:


 * Amelia, out strolling, as fine as you please,
 * Met Audrey, who'd come up to town with her cheese.
 * Poor Audrey, agog at her friend's finery,
 * Stood gaping and gasping, "It cannot be thee!"

Anyone know who's responsible, if not Hardy?

(Lanchester omits Hardy's third verse." Kostaki mou (talk) 18:54, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know who's responsible for that verse, but Hardy's Selected Poetry in Penguin Classics has the poem as given in the article, as does the Wordsworth Classics version, so I don't think it's Hardy. INeverCry  00:08, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Amelia a prostitute?
She is the mistress of a rich man, not a prostitute. Most prostitutes would not have been in such comfortable circumstances. Kostaki mou (talk) 14:31, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

I like how you cover a broad range of topics in this article- but it would be nice if some of them were a bit more in depth. Maybe expand a bit on the history or critical analysis of the poem to give some more in depth information. It's a pretty good general overview, though.Ellisjor (talk) 05:52, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I see someone has described her as a prostitute -- again. The poem never says she was a prostitute.  She could equally (or more likely) have been a rich man's mistress.  (Perhaps I should not have assumed this, but it seems far more likely to me.)  The poem only says that she has been "ruined." Kostaki mou (talk) 21:39, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Peer review
Your article is very well put together. I like the fact that you included not only a picture but also a section on the themes but also an adaptations category. A few suggestions though (nothing to do with the content). It might flow better overall if the poetic form you are talking about in the intro was put under the "analysis and structure" heading as poetic form is technically a structure. Additionally, history would probably fit better before "Theme" because, by giving the background first, you will help the readers better understand what you are attempting to say in the subsequent sections. But, your article is one of the best I have seen. Good job! Sicoras (talk) 06:19, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

The analysis and structure category is a little rough, and refers to Amelia as a prostitute rather than a mistress, as she is described above. It could use a little revision.SBloom123 (talk) 07:01, 30 May 2015 (UTC)