Talk:The Sea of Monsters/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Warrior4321 (talk) 03:26, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:

In Depth Review

 * Weasel words
 * Like the previous book, this novel too is of the fantasy genre.[3] It is considered fast paced,[4] and a blend of the themes of acceptance and family love.[5] It is thought to be humorous, and full of action.[4] By whom?
 * Removed. Pmlineditor  Talk 08:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ❌ Did you remove it, because I can still see it...? warrior  4321  17:25, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a question: is the whole phrase weasel? Pmlineditor removed "considered" and "thought to be". Airplaneman  talk 05:05, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Which are the weasel words per WP:WEASEL. The intro to the synopsis of The Lightning Thief is written in a similar fashion. Pmlineditor    ∞    05:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Reworded and weasels removed. Airplaneman  talk 21:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The weasel words are still there. Please see WP:AWW for more details. warrior  4321  02:27, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I cannot locate them :(. Where exactly are they? Thanks, Airplaneman  talk 03:41, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Please give examples of such words. "This book is fast paced" cannot be weasel. It has a ref and the tone looks ok to me. If weasel words are in somewhere else, I need to know that in order to fix. Pmlineditor    ∞    11:52, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Like the previous book, this novel too is of the fantasy genre.[3] It is fast paced,[4] humorous, full of action,[4] and a blend of the themes of acceptance and family love. are the sentences which contain weasel words. As WP:AWW says *Who says that?
 * When do they say it? Now? At the time of writing?
 * How many people think it? How many is some?
 * What kind of people think it? Where are they?
 * What kind of bias might they have?
 * Why is this of any significance?

Weasel words do not really give a neutral point of view; they just spread hearsay, or couch personal opinion in vague, indirect syntax. It is better to put a name to an opinion than it is to assign it to an anonymous or vague-to-the-point-of-being-meaningless source. warrior 4321  20:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've changed it to "Reviewers consider it to be fast paced,[4] humorous, full of action,[4] and a blend of the themes of acceptance and family love.[5]" if that is ok. Pmlineditor    ∞    08:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Plot
 * The plot section is too long compared to the other sections.
 * Shortened to 342 words. Airplaneman  talk 22:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Images
 * Image looks good. Try adding alt text.
 * Added "Percy, Clarisse, and Annabeth escaping Polyphemus" Airplaneman  talk 22:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation
 * Kronos is a wikilink to a disambiguation page.
 * Pmlineditor Talk 08:38, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Percy in infobox is a disambiguation link
 * Airplaneman talk 02:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * References
 * Reference 6 is dead.
 * Pmlineditor Talk 08:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Why is reference 8 a reliable source?
 * Official website of the Mark Twain Awards. Pmlineditor    ∞    12:33, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Is rickriordan a RS? It is used for all of the awards, might be better to use other references.
 * Re below.
 * Sequel section has no references
 * Read WP:MOSFICTION. Plots don't need cites, however, I'll try to do that.
 * Pmlineditor    ∞    12:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Refs lack details, e.g. ref 3 - no idea what it is, by looking at the ref, '"The Sea of Monsters". Retrieved 2009-09-20." - what is it? a book, a mag, a website? who wrote it? when? etc
 * Pmlineditor    ∞    08:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * more independent sources would be good. the criticism they've used has B&N and Amazon; both of those are not independent sources. Maybe you can find some reviews in newspapers and stuff?
 * I'll try but you'll see that sources available for this book are pretty few. The majority of sources that are offline aren't available here. Nevertheless, I'll try and look for sources.
 * The only reference used for the awards is the author's website. Provide more reliable sources for all the awards.
 * Pmlineditor    ∞    12:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ - looks like he's done! :) Airplaneman  talk 21:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Single sentences
 * There are a few sentences that are composed of one or two lines only. Please expand these sentences or remove the sentences.
 * Which section, which part? I'll try to do this on the entire article though. Pmlineditor    ∞    05:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I see, although some ideas are not worth combining. I'll see what I can do. Airplaneman  talk 21:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * <font style="color:Purple">Pmlineditor    <font style="color:#50C878">∞    08:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Audiobook
 * who is "Jesse Bernstein"? Any more info on that?
 * Neither important nor notable.
 * According to the imbd, he's an actor. He doesn't currently have a wiki article, but I don't see why we can't include it. He read The Lightning Thief's audiobook, too, as mentioned in the article. Airplaneman  talk 02:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * So, can we get some information about him then? warrior  4321  05:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Airplaneman talk 21:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Capitals
 * "Awards and Nominations" shouldn't be cap-N
 * Airplaneman talk 02:27, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Characters
 * Why are they in bold?
 * They are in bold in order to better distinguish their names from the rest of the text. I don't think the use of it is excessive. What is your take? Airplaneman  talk 02:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It is not a Wikipedia standard to use ”'bold”' in this manner; in fact, it would be preferable to rewrite this section in prose-format, rather than as a list. See MOS:BOLD. warrior  4321  03:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure that's a good idea. It is a listing of the main characters with brief descriptions of each and their role played in the book. Rewriting the section in prose would defeat the section's purpose, which is to list the main characters. Maybe they could be italicized? (I'd have to change the format in The Lightning Thief too then so they match ;)). Airplaneman  talk 19:16, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This is what I was talking about when I meant "prose-format". warrior  4321  22:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * - Ah, ok. I'll go around to the other articles and do the same! Airplaneman  talk 21:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Looks a bit choppy, no? Airplaneman  talk 21:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Can more information be added about each? warrior  4321  22:32, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * <font style="color:Purple">Pmlineditor    <font style="color:#50C878">∞    08:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Lead
 * Sequel to the lightning thief not mentioned in lead
 * He is thirteen years old, not mentioned in lead
 * The lead is not an adequate summary
 * Lots of stuff mentioned in lead not mentioned in article
 * Looks like the stuff is  Airplaneman  talk 02:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Good work, but what about the audiobook and the next sequel? warrior  4321  02:56, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's the stuff. Will fix soon! Airplaneman  talk 00:25, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Airplaneman talk 00:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll finish fixing by the weekend. <font style="color:Orange">Pmlineditor   <font style="color:#50C878">∞   16:14, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Everything has been done. :) <font style="color:Purple">Pmlineditor    <font style="color:#50C878">∞    08:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Passed warrior  4321  23:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)