Talk:The Seduction of Ingmar Bergman/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Rcej (Robert) - talk 07:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello :) We'll begin ASAP! Rcej (Robert) - talk 07:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Very nice article! Once a few key pieces are added, it should be a pretty straighforward pass; refs/prose/image/npov etc. are good to go already :) So, here's what we do need:


 * The lead needs a mention of the initial Euro-Swedish and American release dates, and also a clarification of what's on the album; by that, I mean slightly more descriptive than "a pop musical".


 * Let's flesh out some of the backstory and history of the project. Why did the Swedish national radio initiate this musical? Why was Sparks chosen as the significant artisan and producer? How long did production take? Where was the album recorded? Cost? Sales? Things like that, also reflected in the lead. Rcej (Robert) - talk 07:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll have to access some of the Swedish sources for that (see above); the English sources don't go into that as far as I recall. As for the recording, apparently the Swedish voice actors were recorded in Sweden, while the band recorded in the States, with files being sent to and fro. It sounds quite adventurous. I'm snowed under with RL work at the moment, unfortunately, so please bear with me; I probably won't be able to get much work done on it before next week. -- JN 466  15:48, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No hurry :) Rcej (Robert) - talk 02:59, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay; I now have time to do a little more work on this. I've added initial release dates to the lead. As for description of the album's content, we say, Based around an imaginary visit to Hollywood by Swedish film director Ingmar Bergman in the mid-1950s, its storyline focuses on the divides between European and American culture, between art and commerce.[11] [...] it features a cast of Swedish and American actors and a variety of musical styles ranging from opera to vaudeville and pop. I guess we could say something about the album not really having standalone songs. Was that the sort of thing you had in mind, or was it something else? -- JN 466  11:21, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * hmm... is the story presented in radio-show fashion, or a typical musical? Rcej (Robert) - talk 07:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's just 60-odd minutes of continuous music, with small silent gaps between individual scenes (to describe these scenes as "songs" would be overstating matters in most cases) and the occasional bit of spoken dialogue thrown in. -- JN  466  10:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * New English online sources that weren't there last time I looked, and Swedish sources I haven't used yet
 * And the route to The Seduction of Ingmar Bergman is as fittingly bizarre as the band involved in making it. Just because someone there liked them, Swedish National Radio got in touch with the Maels and proposed that they write a radio musical for them – the only stipulation being that it had to incorporate a Swedish element. “At first, we obviously thought of cars and Ikea,” Russell chuckles. “I’m joking. But the more profound, more lasting idea – being the film fans we are – was Ingmar Bergman. So we hit upon a fantasy situation of him going to Hollywood, which is obviously a lot more universal, too.”
 * This would be great additional info. :) Rcej (Robert) - talk 07:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

There are Swedish sources that have more detail. I will work on incorporating these, but may need the help of a Swedish Wikipedian. -- JN 466  12:35, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sveriges Radio website:
 * Sveriges Radio press info: translation:  -- JN  466  12:13, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * SVD:, translation: -- JN  466  12:19, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * nt.se:  "Ingmar Bergman, Sparks and a musical is not the most obvious combination. Russell Mael also recognizes that he and his brother Ron hesitated when Marie Wennersten on Radio Theatre approached him and asked if Sparks could write a musical for Swedish Radio. The biggest mental hurdle was that the substance must revolve around a Swedish phenomenon." -- JN  466  12:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sveriges Radio:, translation: (voices were recorded in Stockholm, and SR and Sparks used an ftp server to exchange files) -- JN  466  12:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * sydsvenskan.se:, translation: -- JN  466  12:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Good sources :) Rcej (Robert) - talk 04:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Can we wrap this GA review up soon please? It's one of the only ones left from 2009 still. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 06:22, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes sir. We will try to get done quicker :) Rcej (Robert) - talk 06:47, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I've got a bunch of Swedish sources together and am working with User:Pieter Kuiper to sort out the translations. -- JN 466  22:12, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Okee-dokey :) Rcej (Robert) - talk 04:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I've added some material from the Swedish sources now. Please review. -- JN 466  05:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Very fine work! We be a passin' :) Its been very nice working with you; and much success to all your endeavors! Rcej (Robert) - talk 07:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! -- JN 466  12:59, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Results of review

 * GA review (see here for criteria)

The article The Seduction of Ingmar Bergman passes this review, and has been upgraded to good article status. The article is found by the reviewing editor to be deserving of good article status based on the following criteria:
 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
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