Talk:The Sims 2/Archive 1

Controversy Section
The "Controversy" section of this article is very POV, specifically the third paragraph. I'm going to remove the third paragraph for now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.173.94.191 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 31 August 2005

Grilled Cheese
"seventh and an eighth aspiration, the Pleasure and Grilled Cheese aspirations" I have seen the seventh in nightlife, but I haven't seen the eighth; is this a hidden aspiration, or subtle vandalism? --Quantum Burrito 01:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * It's real; it's hidden in the aspiration-change thingamajig in the Nightlife expansion pack. It's an aspiration reward and if you use it below gold aspiration, there's a chance it will fry your sim's brain and will make your sim a Grilled Cheese sim. :) :: DarkLordSeth 01:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I have got to try that! --Quantum Burrito 01:49, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

One of my main sims is a Grilled Cheese sim, and its not always an easy aspiration to play. The wants are usually worth just a small abmount of points, or require complex steps. Also, in order to accomplish the "eat grilled cheese" goal, they have to finish the whole sandwich in one sitting. Otherwise it doesn't count. 208.5.103.1 19:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Release date
The Sims 2 was released on 14 September, 2004 in the USA, on 17 September, 2004 in Europe and on 21 September, 2004 in Asia.

Whenever I make that modification, somebody changes the release date to 17 September, 2004.

Guest


 * First off, 61.246.52.17, I'm the one who keeps changing it. That's because it wasn't released on 15 September in the United States.  Some places let you pre-order it, but it wasn't officially available until the 17th.  I don't know about the release dates in other countries, but I doubt they preceded the US release date.


 * Second, if you want your edits to be taken seriously, create an account. Edits made by logged-in users are taken much more seriously than those made by anonymous users.  Until then, your continued incorrect edits look like vandalism.  Creating an account provides more privacy, not less.  Peace. :-)   &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 15:21, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)


 * GameSpot states that the release date was 14 September, 2004 and I know of some people who claim that they got it before the 17th. If you think that the day when people who have pre-ordered a product receive the product (without any delays) is not necessarily its release date in their region, you may not be following standards.


 * Secondly, what is all this about incorrect edits?

--203.101.57.233 11:26, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * "Incorrect edits": adding information which is not correct.


 * I see you still haven't created an account. That is your choice.  However, many Wikipedians look at edits made by anonymous users suspiciously (me included).  That's why I thought your edits looked like vandalism.  It looked like you just changed some information and hid behind an anonymous IP address.


 * I got the information of September 17th directly from the The Sims 2 website. The information is not there any longer since the game is out.  However, up until the release of the game, it loudly proclaimed "Coming September 17th!"  As for this issue, I don't really care what GameSpot says. Though a somewhat respectible website, sometimes journalists don't do their jobs (like checking facts).  I think the official Maxis website is a pretty reliable source for their own product. :-)   &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 14:46, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)

Guest


 * I am an independent third party who also does not have an account here. I am just writing to note that I picked up Sims2 from EB Games in Edmonton, Canada on September 14th in the evening.  I had preordered my copy but my understanding is that they were selling to anyone on that day.  I believe many other retail outlets were also selling Sims2 that evening, and almost everywhere would have been selling it on September 15th.


 * Thanks for the input 161.184.162.27. I don't know why EA would release it earlier in Canada than in the US.  But I do know that their website said September 17th.  It's a possibility that the store you visited received their shipment before the 17th and just put the boxes out (this happens a lot) even though they weren't supposed to start selling them until the 17th.  I'll rework the wording to reflect the real-world occurances.   &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 19:38, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)


 * "GameSpot states that the release date was 14 September, 2004"
 * So do Gamespy and IGN. --GatesPlusPlus 05:06, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * I've started a thread on this issue on the BBS of the official website. Making certain inferences from the posts made so far, I've slightly reworded the part on the release date. I'd request anybody to contact Maxis or EA and confirm this with them, and I will try and contact them myself. --GatesPlusPlus 11:02, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The Sims 2 is out on Xbox now (maybe on other platforms too, I don't keep up), shouldn't the page be changed to reflect this? --65.146.18.194 00:27, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Screenshot copyrights
What are the guidelines on submitting game screenshots? are they entangled by copyright?


 * This has been extensively covered elsewhere, but game screenshots are covered under fair use. I think Maxis stamps each screenshot (if you use the built-in "photo" utility) with a "Sims" logo, but we can use them here.  If you like, you can even crop out the logo and just use a portion of the screenshot.  But if you do upload an image, make sure to mark it with the  tag.


 * Next, please sign your posts. You can do this with either 3 or 4 tildes.  signs your name and ~ signs your name and also leaves a timestamp.  Either is fine, but the latter is usually preferred. :-)   &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 14:14, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)


 * Just make sure you add.
 * Screenshots taken in-game with the photo utility do not have the Sims logo on them. -- asciident 16:43, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

T&L video card?
What's a T&L video card? Johnleemk | Talk 05:38, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * "T&L" stands for "texture and lighting." It means the video card handles the data and does the calculations for textures and lighting.  It was too detailed information for this article, so I removed it.  But that's what it is. :-)   &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 14:51, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)


 * Well, I agree it is a bit too detailed, but is still info worth to be know. What about a footnote or a link to an article on video cards? Mario.

Sure, go ahead. :-)  &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 21:25, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)

By the way, I saw the system requirements on the official website to be a little different than that seen here before I edited. The requirements seen before the edit were the ones given on the box.

If Maxis ever did decide to change what they wrote on their website, I'd like to point out that I've played the game on a computer witha non-T&L compatible video card and a 1.8 GHz processor and it very rarely lagged and the graphics were what one would expect out of the game, even with a T&L compatible video card (with details set to low). --GatesPlusPlus 07:04, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This was resolved a while ago it seems, but a correction: T&L stands for Transform and Lighting. Here's a good bit of information on it. --Poiuyt Man (talk)  07:53, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"few bugs"
I removed that ickle "few bugs" tidbit because I can see where TS2 is going: Right down the EA-rushed-release-with-many-bugs debacle-lane in a handbasket. Expect the patch at the beginning of the holiday season. Only it will be called an "Expansion Pack" and you'll have to shell out 50 bucks for it. Never buy EA products. Either you screw them over or they screw you over by taking your money, giving you a lousy unfinished product and treating you like poo afterwards. DarkLordSeth 23:17, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Moving the "Bugs" section to a separate article
Maybe we should move the "Bugs" section to a new Wikipedia article, because the section is so long and actually has very little to do with the actual game itself. Any thoughts? Bbhtryoink 21:18, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Nah, that's really too specific for it to have its own article. The Sims 2 bugs? No. Keep it in the article. The game's bugs have lots to do with the game. [[User:Premeditated Chaos| P M  C ]] 21:21, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Bugs
If the game has a more-than-average amount of bugs, you can mention it. Describing every little bug is not an encyclopedia's job and therefore shouldn't occur. Most games have bugs, hence there has to be a lot of them that it should even be mentioned they exist.


 * Made a compromise. Bugs are mentioned and VERY briefly explained. Will probably add some links to resources soon, but right now, I simply don't feel like looking up the external links. Anyways, hope this makes all parties involved happy. Also, pretty please sign and timestamp your posts by adding ~ ( 4 tilde characters ) to any comments on talk page. It will look like this: DarkLordSeth 00:46, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Could we perhaps make it a subarticle? I hate to lose all that detail. Everyking 00:48, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * See above discussion, item nr. 5. I don't like to see all the details go as well, considering I put quite some time in them as well, but I think it's for the best to briefly touch the subject only. The whole bug-handling and solving issue is not encyclopedic IMHO and, more importantly, it's EA/Maxis' damn job. They have a support department and I don't think that'd be us. I suggest someone puts up a link to the TS2 bbs, where the best solutions to the most recent bugs can be found. Those people are far more "on top of things" then we are, I presume. :: DarkLordSeth 01:10, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I disagree with the original comment, a printed encyclopedia would never include that detail of information. Fortunantly, Wikipedia is NOT a printed encyclopedia. All the bugs mentioned are major bugs that have caused alot of people headaches (including myself!). It is very useful to include them in this article. As long as they're major and actually impede the use of the game, they should be included. bernlin2000 &infin; 03:47, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

Awesome! Nintendo DS Version
Take a look at the information and screenshots here: http://ds.ign.com/articles/605/605207p1.html


 * I know. It sure is awesome. I am going to get it on Nintendo DS and possibly PlayStation 2 or GameCube. I already have this game on PC. • Thorpe • 08:44, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Link creep
This article is experiencing what I call "link creep"&mdash;extern links that are added little by little until the Extern links section becomes a bog of too many sites to be useful to anyone. I suggest we add a banner that's been used in other articles I participate in. The banner is an HTML comment so it's only visible to users who try to add a site. It looks something like this:


 * &lt;!-- DO NOT ADD your pet site here without discussing it on the Talk page first. If you add a site without discussing it first, it will be reverted, no questions asked. Click the "Discuss this page" link to start a discussion on why you think your site should be added. --&gt;

Then, if anyone adds their pet site without discussing it first, it can be reverted with no remorse. Truly useful links can still be discussed and added if needed. It's greatly helped reduce clutter in other articles it's been used in. What does everyone else think? &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 16:00, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)


 * Ah, we can revert without remorse anyways. In fact, if possible, I would like to add naval bombardment and airstrikes without remorse to that list. Anyways, there are quite a few sites in the list already that are nice and decent, yet add little to no content other then the standard info, a basic community and perhaps a small number of original items. This is is not a website directory, though. The HTML comment would be a nice warning, but I somehow doubt people will bother to read it... Still, I suggest we do it. :: DarkLordSeth 18:12, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What the hell? Cheats?
Cheats? In an encyclopedia? This aint GameFAQs, so why?


 * Exactly my point. I removed them once but they were put back on within a few days. There was another conversation about this here. &#8226; Thorpe &#8226; 08:43, 1 May 2005 (UTC)


 * If they keep reappearing, perhaps a separate Sims 2 guide would be in order. It could be created at Computer and video games bookshelf, and linked from the Wikipedia article. --Poiuyt Man (talk)  10:17, 5 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I think they are perfectly acceptable if formatted neatly, like all Wikipedia content should be. Has this been discussed at the Project?  It'd be nice to get a consensus on whether or not they should be allowed.


 * I was beraded once for suggesting that Wikipedia shouldn't replicate information already contained on the IMDb. My tormentors said that Wikipedia shouldn't rely on any outside information&mdash;it should a fortress unto itself.  So, in that vein, it should be included if it conforms to the quality of the rest of Wikipedia content.  Anyways, that's my $.02.   &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 23:23, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)


 * The cheats are an important and well known component of the game. They should be included. We're not offering advice or an opinion, the cheats are fact. They should be put back. That's my $.02-JCarriker 03:33, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia, nor any other encyclopedia, is not the place to go in-depth on subjects. As dictionary.com says, an encyclopedia is a work of reference. Basic information would be fine, mention the cheats but then link through to some other sites that are oriented specifically do delivering game cheats. That's my €0,02... :: DarkLordSeth 07:49, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Let's see so far we've accumulated less than ¥ 1,00 or £ 1,00, and accomplished nothing. Wikipedia, is not an ordinary encyclopedia, we are by our very nature more inclusive of information. If wikipedia were an ordinary encyclopedia none of us would be here. -JCarriker 08:13, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)


 * But in-depth game items are still in the domain of game sites. However, if you're interested in a free (beer+speech) and open guide to The Sims 2, then may I recommend a TS2 wikibook instead? It's would be a good compromise; The information is still easily available for improvement and it won't clutter up the encyclopedia page on TS2. Besides, I think we're past ¥1,00 now... :P :: DarkLordSeth 16:22, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * That'll work for me. I still believe it should be included, but strongly enough to oppose a compromise. 104.321¢ ;-JCarriker 08:48, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Its not FAQ(Frequently Asked Questions) because there are no questions. Dudtz 1/1/06 *:05 PM EST

Cheats
Like the original The Sims game, The Sims 2 has many cheats. The cheat console is reached by pressing Ctrl+Shift+C. The desired cheat code is then entered.
 * kaching: gives the player 1000 Simoleans
 * motherlode: gives the player 50,000 Simoleans
 * moveobjects_on: allows the player to move anything that normally would not and delete things that Sims are using. Homework cannot be deleted. Problems can develop if this is used recklessly, for example deleting the mailbox.
 * moveobjects_off: turns moveobjects_on back off

While making the game, the Maxis developers used a cheat to make irregular things happen. They soon released it to the public.
 * boolprop testingcheatsEnabled true: turns it on. Shift+click on a Sim and go to spawn, then tombstone of L&D.  This is the tombstone of life and death. With it, a sim, and their mailbox, can do almost anything. This includes getting pregnant with the Grim Reaper, or another person of the Sim's gender, as long as they're at that Sim's house. However, this cheat can really mess up the game and slow it down.
 * boolprop testingcheatsEnabled false: turns the cheat back off
 * familyfunds familyname amount: this cheat is entered in the neighbourhood screen. the family name is what ever your family's surname is, and amount is a manually chosen amount of simoleons, ie, 30,000.  This is a useful cheat if you want to move a new family into a large house that costs more than the standard 20,000 simoleons.

Reset
In My Documents\EA Games\The Sims2\Neighborhoods folder there are 3 subfolders.


 * N001 is Pleasantview
 * N002 is Strangetown
 * N003 is Veronaville

Any other numbered folders will be a custom neighborhoods you have created.

Drag the neighborhood you want to restart to your desktop. If you want to put it back into the game later on you can, by dragging it back.

Go to C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2\TSData\Res\UserData\Neighborhoods. In that folder you will see these folders which are the original neighbourhood files.


 * N001
 * N002
 * N003

Copy, (do not move) the folder you want from this location to My Documents\EA Games\The Sims2\Neighborhoods folder. Start up the game and the chosen neighbourhood(s) will be reset.

Questions
Who are the Pleasants, and the Goths? Were Pleasantview, Strangetown, and Veronaville included in the first The Sims?
 * Originally there was only one neighborhood, titled the Sims, expansion packs allowed the creation of other neighborhoods. The Pleasants, Goths, Bachelor, Roomies, and Newbies were the families that came with the original game. -JCarriker July 1, 2005 02:29 (UTC)

John Thompson
I've heard word that our little attorney friend, John Thompson, has been making baseless claims of the game being a  hotbed rehearsing tool  for pedophiles with the introduction of user-made nude patches. Should this be mentioned in this article? ╫ 25 ring-a-ding  01:01, 27 July 2005 (UTC) ╫


 * I don't see how such a patch would make it a "hotbed for pedophiles". Such a patch was/is available for The Sims and though they made some press, no one suggested that they made the game a big draw for pedophiles.  Plus, since many of the Sims are adults, how does that make it a big draw for pedophiles?  I think mentioning that patches in the article is fine, but I don't see any connection between it and pedophelia.


 * Actually, reading the entry on John Thompson, he sounds like an ill-informed nut job. While his criticisms of GTA3 are probably valid, his criticisms of The Sims 2 are totally unfounded&mdash;sims in The Sims 2 don't have genitalia.  So, you may mention it, but just be NPOV about it.   &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 14:13, July 27, 2005 (UTC)


 * The best way to deal with crackpots like John Thompson is to ignore them. This whole thing about TS2 being a hotbed for pedos is a non-issue anyways. :: DarkLordSeth 14:53, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Trim the links
I know this has come up before, but I propose to nix the entire "Community and fan sites" subsection of this article. Wikipedia is not a link farm, which is exactly what that entire section of the article has turned into. Links to fan sites and such can be hosted on a Sims fan site&mdash;it's not our job to list every friggin' Sims 2 website on the planet. We should assume our users know how to use Google. In addition, posting links to fan sites is against Wikipedia policy. If there is a directory of a huge number of sites out there, that is permissible, but listing them all here is not. Any objections? &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 15:01, August 30, 2005 (UTC)


 * It's becoming awful to look at that endless list of links, with some websites that aren't even remotely well-known. Kill it. :: DarkLordSeth 16:17, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I've trimmed the list of links and put up a simple link to the DMOZ website directory instead. That should do it for now, at least. I've salvaged the remains of the links, gonna write them down here just for those of you who are interested. :: DarkLordSeth 16:27, 14 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I think that Simlogical should be added to the links, as it's mentioned in the article. :: Dominie 11:19, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Alpha Sims A mostly norwegian site, but with Swedish, Danish and English areas.
 * No Eye Deer Productions A Sims 2 Machinima Production Company. See Sims 2 Films, from comedy to horror.
 * EliteSims2
 * Sim Choice Creations in numerous categories including fashion, cosmetics & genetics for The Sims 2
 * WorldSims
 * Mod The Sims 2, home to a thriving community for mods
 * SimStuff.com
 * Listing of Sims 2 Console and Cheat Commands, from tech-recipes.com
 * The Sims Resource, a site catering for Sims 1 and 2
 * SimSational
 * Kaermie
 * Planet The Sims
 * The Sims Zone
 * WorldSims Forums
 * The Sims 2 Info
 * The Sims 2 Downloads and addons
 * Simplicity
 * Sims 2 Talk
 * ATI's Driver Download Page
 * DataGen, an editor that can (sort of) edit The Sims 2 files.
 * SimPE, "Simple Package Editor" a program that is able to edit Sims 2 characters and objects. The program is working, but many features are still in development.
 * The Sims 2 LiveJournal Community, one of the largest LiveJournal Communities for The Sims 2
 * About.com Guide

Console release dates...
When do/did the console versions come out? --Wulf 00:38, September 4, 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, they're forthcoming, so they haven't been released yet. The best place to check would probably be EA's official site, which is linked at the bottom.   &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 22:30, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Buggy bugs
First off, I think this section is unencyclopedic. We could just give short(er) summaries, but it's grown past that. Next, the whole section addresses the reader: contrary to wiki-standard. Lastly, one user just added a really poorly formatted section to the section, which makes it look worse than it already did. Normally, I address these things myself, but seeing how I oppose the section anyway, I couldn't fix it in good concience. &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 21:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

--Couldn't agree more. Some things expressed here are not relevant to The Sims 2.Rhetoricalwater 05:58, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

AFLC rating?
What, exactly, is the AFLC rating? Who uses it? It's not mentioned anywhere in the latest Game Developer magazine article that discusses rating systems. Is it really by the Association of Free Lutheran Congregations? If so, who cares about it? It is completely a niche rating and should be eliminated. We're trying to write an article to the broad audience, many of whom are probably not Lutheran (nor Satanists). Googling for AFLC I only got hits for the Association of Free Lutheran Congregations and nothing for video games. &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 19:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Sexual Content
Damn they get dirty not for kids! --MaoJin 16:18, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm, mind explaining how this is relevant in discussing changes for this article? ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  18:02, 21 January 2006 (UTC) ╫
 * the sexual content should be listed... --MaoJin 19:06, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Fell free to mention it in the article then. I'm not full clear which part of the game you are refering to. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  18:02, 21 January 2006 (UTC) ╫

the whole game for ps2. --MaoJin 19:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I thought I saw labia and pubic hair when the female sim is in underwear. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.218.22.116 (talk • contribs) 04:19, 30 June 2006.
 * you thought wrong unless you were using user made skins. Those are not included in the game. --Crossmr 04:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Farmlife?
I'm considering removing the 'Farmlife' section, as there hasn't been any official proof (that I know of) of this expansion. Can anyone prove me wrong, or is it safe to remove? PlatformerMastah 04:52, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

also, the farmlife section is not coherent. there are spelling and grammar errors and its hard to even decipher what it is saying.

(Please state your user name) I'm going to remove it now. Please inform me otherwise if this section is necessary. PlatformerMastah 20:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Sims 2 in Wikibooks
Remember, you can also write guides about the game in the Sims 2 section of this article. Improvements and additions are welcome! ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  09:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC) ╫

The Sims 2 a God Game?
I can see there's been effort to tag The Sims 2 as a god game, but I can't see how this is true. What's a tad bit lame is if you follow the "god game" link in the Wiki entry, you'll see the entry says The Sims is not a god game. Comments? Ziggles Metropolitan 16:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is. Looking at the opening paragraph of the article:
 * God games are generally large-scale strategic fantastic simulations, sometimes of entire worlds and populations, that cast you in the position of an entity with divine or supernatural powers. God games are characterised by that:
 * Actions taken by the player tend to be optional interventions into the system of the game world, for instance in the form of miracles or invoking calamities, rather than being a necessity for its continual progression.
 * Sims games almost always require constant intervention.
 * The game world is relatively self-sustaining and persistent.
 * Sims die and kids require intervention.
 * As god, the player can affect the world and influence his subjects but not directly order them: i.e. there is a minimum of "click-select-order" gameplay unlike in other strategy games.
 * Sim games use direct ordering.
 * So, I think that Sim games aren't god games. Jaxad0127 06:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Recent attempts to create fake EP entries
I noticed someone having a bit of a war with someone trying to post fake EP information which has now been linked to the official BBS. They're not exactly known for their discretion, and there are quite a few there who would take the opportunity to continue to deface the page with fake information. Any thought on a temporary lock or something to discourage them, or a warning of some kind placed on the main page? crossmr 4:15 MST, April 12, 2006

A second screenshot
I think another screenshot would be good for this article, but sadly I can now fulfill this. Can anyone please edit the article to include another screenshot? M2K 18:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Depends on what is in the second screenshot. It would be ideal to include features not seen in the first screenshot or the original Sims, such as an occurrence of an "Aspiration disorder", when a Sim's aspiration goes rock bottom and the Sim start seeing things (the Social Bunny, for example). Perhaps we could also do with a third screenshot - we really need a new screenshot of a Sims' facial expression; the last one was removed. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  16:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC) ╫


 * I'll see if I can get a screenshot of this tomorrow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Briar Rose (talk • contribs)

Bella Error
"Bella Goth

Bella Goth, the wife of Mortimer Goth in The Sims, is absent from the family when the game begins, as it is revealed she was abducted by aliens. A missing person's photograph of her appears on milk cartons seen while preparing some foods, but she can also be found as a townie in Strangetown without her memory of her old residence and family, as well as aboard the hot air balloon seen floating over any neighborhood where that decoration is placed. Several family photo albums also reveal her past actions prior to her alien abduction." Bella is not actually the woman in the hot air baloon, that is a 2-d charecter from the Sims Hot Date. The man with her is another Hot Date NPC. 207.200.116.9 20:25, 16 April 2006 (UTC)User

I also noticed this error so I fixed it. I believe the picture of those two NPC's can be found on the Hot Date box/booklet/ or CD-rom. But it is definitely from Hot Date. 207.200.116.9 20:25, 16 April 2006 (UTC)Morticia


 * Actually, it IS Bella in the hot air balloon with a Hot Date NPC. I think you are confusing her with the Blonde Bombshell from Hot Date. I checked the hot air balloon out before and it is definitely Bella, not the Blonde Bombshell. --70.28.20.10 06:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Pet business?
not true, if it were there would be simmers dancing in the streets. I think it is someones wishful thinking.Sqityl 22:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Apparanetly there is some evidence that it is comming from the 2006 E3 event. Screenshots from here: http://www.thesiddog.com/e3/e32006blog_day1_pets.html show pets with Sims in an animation at the EA booth. This is currently reflected in the article. Robovski 01:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I was reffering to something called "pet business" that someone had added long before E3Sqityl 08:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Axe the fansites!
The list of fansites is getting very long again. Shouldn't we just trim it to some of the bigger ones, such as TSR (which isn't even on the list) and MTS2? We could just link to the Google Directory for the others. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 20:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Do it. Wikipedia is not a respository of links, and some of them appear like attempts to advertise a site. I suggest that any website not within The Sims Resource's or ModTheSims2's level of notability should be removed, period. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  20:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC) ╫


 * I've taken out all of them except for TSR (which I added), MTS2, and the Ultimate Sims List. The Ultimate Sims List should have most of the links, so I kept it. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 20:53, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Why was world sims left under the fourms and BBS link? There are hundreds of sims sites that contain forums, and I see nothing special about that place. Its not an official forum.Crossmr 16:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I missed those. I was only looking in the Fansites section. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 23:54, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Website Controversy
This section was mostly biased self-defense, apparently from a member of the mentioned "BBS Mafia". With that removed, the remainder didn't make for much controversy at all, and was unsourced to boot. As we used to say so long ago, *plonk*!Eaglizard 06:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Or at leaste, the second part was written by a BBS 'mobster'. --Briar Rose 21:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It wasn't written by a BBS mafia member. The very notion is absurd. The second half where policies and methods were further explored was written by me.A person who has been on both BBS's for awhile. All of it is verifiable in the BBS's own rules section and observable if you spend more than ten minutes on the BBS. Wikipedia is here to give a balanced perspective on everything. The Sims 2 BBS shouldn't be exempt from this. I'm sorry that you don't agree. But you have proven me right: Members of the BBS don't want anything bad said about it and refuse to accept the truth of the BBS' more absurd rules and Simmasters. I will re-add my comments because I feel they are warranted or I will start a new section focusing solely on the BBS. I hope that others will add or constructively edit my comments to help provide a fair and balanced view of the SIms 2 BBS.

Aladia 14:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)AladiaAladia 14:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * please reply appropriately, putting in those bogus = symbols created a new section --Crossmr 18:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

So sorry. Didn't realize, I was only trying to seperate my comments from the previous. Aladia 07:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)AladiaAladia 07:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * no problem, to do so, enter a space if you like and use the colons it will step in to keep a more threaded view. --Crossmr 21:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Family Fun stuff rewrite
This needs to be rewritten. In the same paragraph we say its announced and that its been released. We could say it was announced on the back of OFB, but really thats not crucial information. Release date, number of items, and the fact that European stores and target were giving out codes to download a promotional should be in there. We might also include the fact that Maxis made an announcement prior to release about a known bug in the game on The BBS, this is the first time they've done that. --Crossmr 16:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It should also be mentioned that FFS is almost an EP. Jaxad0127 05:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * regardless of how some users see it, its marketed and sold as a "Stuff Pack" and not an EP. It only adds items, no gameplay or anything else like that, so I don't really see it being "almost" an EP. I've seen on the BBS that people think the Holiday Party Pack was better since it actually included a new party and new meal. --Crossmr 14:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Its a mini-EP. There are enough changes in the pack to require many hacks, etc, to be rewritten. It includes several things from Uni and NL:
 * Who Do They Love? - attraction, chemistry, lightning bolts, turn on & turn offs
 * Exercising Influence - fill influence wants, have influence over others
 * Seeing red - Furious state
 * Take It To Go - inventory
 * Saving and Loading - Game saved by lot, no need to load neighborhood screen between lots.
 * It even has it's own exe, dlls, etc. Its much more than new objects.
 * Again, users can call it what they like, I believe Maxis has officially started calling them "Stuff Packs". We might want to mention that while it didn't specifically add any new gameplay, it did include some gameplay that was available in previous EPs and did require some hacks be re-written. As long as sources can be provided for the hacks. I don't think trying to label them "almost an EP" or a "mini-ep" really accomplishes anything here. --Crossmr 06:58, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * As long as we don't say it just added new objects.Jaxad0127 17:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I had already made modifications to the FFP article to reflect this after investigating the pack further. Glad to see a change on the main Sims 2 article as well. Robovski 01:26, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree that FFS is a stuff pack and not an EP or almost an EP. We should respect how Maxis is categorizing their products. I have updated the Stuff Packs description to reflect that Stuff Packs adds  no new gameplay elements that are not already featured in past expansion packs. Anyone want to verify the update on the Glamour Shopping Pack? I've heard rumours on it before, but I don't think it has been officially announced yet. --70.28.20.10 07:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No it hasn't been officially announced. It was talked about, and hinted at, but rumour is maybe Maxis had a change of heart. They may have realized they were releasing too much buggy crap too quickly and it was going to kill the franchise. Alternatively they just moved the release date a bit. --Crossmr 15:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the confirmation, maybe we should remove the comment on the new stuff pack since it has not been officially announced. --70.28.20.10 20:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Lock this page during E3
Its a daily occurance that we're getting someone who can't spell or form a sentence who tries to add pointless information during E3. The latest was a list of possible features Maxis might possibly reveal possibly after E3. I think this article should be locked to only allow edits by non-new accounts for the duration. --Crossmr 07:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Page just for EP's and Stuff packs?
I think the article is getting a little bit too cluttered up; and I know the EP's are a major part of the Sims 2, don't get me wrong, but I think we need some more organization. And I also don't mean seperate pages for each expansion pack/stuff pack; just one page for all of them. Any thoughts about this?
 * The expansion packs and stuff packs have thier own pages already. The decription in the Sims 2 article should be at most a short description containing the most salient points. This could be changed into a general overview of the packs and a list of links to the relevant articles. Robovski 03:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

CONSOLE PORT
Will the console port have its own page? From Somebody June 8

Sims 2 Wiki
There's a |new Sims 2 site done as a wiki. It's like a wikipedia of the sims 2, modding it, fan sites, etc. Its still being populated, though. Should we added it to the external links section?
 * It is an off-shoot of Mod The Sims 2 if anything a small paragraph could be added there. --Crossmr 17:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Expansion Pack criticisms
OK, over in The Sims 2: Family Fun Stuff I'd like to avoid an edit war and get some outside opinions re: an edit I've brough up for discussion on the related Talk page. I figure the folk here would be the best fit and the most experienced in the matter. You assistance is appreciated. Robovski 21:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Jordan199311
Continuing to add controversial material without discussing it first can and usually ends up being seen as vandalism. I've left several notes on your talk page which you have not responded to. --Crossmr 22:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)