Talk:The Sound of Music Live!/Archive 1

Cast section
Should a cast section be added just above the "Reception" section? Would the official site, which does provide a list, be considered a reliable source in this case (WP:SELFSOURCE)? TCMemoire (talk) 05:00, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I think if credits for the entire production are provided, then the article should have a Credits or Personnel section. But, only the main characters are credited in reliable sources, the article should just have a prose section. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:47, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Image for infobox?
Perhaps the promotional poster, or the title card? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:43, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅. I added a logo from the NBC website for the special. They are also showing it online at NBC.com, which would make for a great intertitle screengrab, but they add the rating in the corner, which cannot be edited out. We can use the current image until an intertitle can be gotten, but there really is not much of a difference, just a blue background. —  Wylie pedia  09:56, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks great. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:04, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! —  Wylie pedia  11:30, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

So, the front cover of the soundtrack should not be included in the album infobox? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:54, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you able to share your reason for removing the soundtrack cover from the album infobox? I am curious. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:44, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I operate under the consensus of WikiProject Film; as the soundtrack image is not the subject of the article as a whole (the production, not the soundtrack), it is merely a variation of the promo poster, and the cover itself is not discussed in the text (only the poster that it derives). As such, it does not increase readers' understanding of the article (NFCC 8) ViperSnake151   Talk  04:58, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:16, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Expansion
Manual of Style/Television and Manual of Style/Film may come in handy. It seems challenging to include a description and cast section, plus details about the soundtrack and its associated personnel, without being too redundant. Also, should a Plot section be included, or should that be left to the article The Sound of Music? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:24, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * A "Casting" section could be included under a "Production" heading, which could in turn deal with all personnel. In addition, perhaps the plot section should be left out, but if there are any significant differences to previous productions in terms of plot, they could possibly be mentioned under a Production heading. (I did watch most of the broadcast but didn't notice any of real significance.) TCMemoire (talk) 02:40, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Should this program be categorized in "Category:NBC network original films" or "Category:2013 television films"? I am not sure how to distinguish television specials from television films. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:51, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I added them for now. They can always be removed. Not sure if "original" is applicable here, since the show was based on a play. Part of me thinks this is more a TV film than a TV special, but I don't feel too strongly either way. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:54, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it would be considered a TV special more than a film; I think that TV specials, in this case, refer to televised theatrical productions that aren't a part of the usual broadcast. TCMemoire (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * OK I will remove the film categories. Thanks. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:28, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅. Plot/Synposis as has been added. 50.121.36.219 (talk) 14:26, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Was it performed live twice or just once?
As a resident of New York City, I know that the performance was live when it aired from 8:00 to 11:00 PM EST. I wonder, though, if the musical was performed live a second time for the benefit of viewers in the Pacific and Mountain time zones (from 8:00 to 11:00 PM PST / 11:00 PM to 1:00 AM EST). If it wasn't, did the broadcast in the Pacific time zone begin at 8:00 PM or 5:00 PM? I suggest that the article describe what west coast viewers were shown and when. --anon. 71.183.139.60 (talk) 22:12, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not believe the show was performed twice. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:13, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The show was definitely not performed twice per showing. The encore is on right now, which started at 8:00 PM EST. However, my time is MST, and here, it started at 7:00. It might be an hour, or half an hour, behind for each time zone. Perhaps they did the same for the original run. Maybe it came on at 7:30 in CST; can anyone from that time zone confirm this? TCMemoire (talk) 02:21, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I just looked through the production's Twitter feed and I didn't see any statement that it was performed live a second time. --anon. 71.183.139.60 (talk) 00:25, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Quality scale?
Does anyone have a sense of how close this article might be a B-class quality, or even Good article quality? I have worked on the article some, but not much since the airing. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:38, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Stephen Moyer a "musical theater newcomer"?
This tweet says he starred in Chicago at the Hollywood Bowl. This tweet calls him "a seasoned Broadway vet." --anon. 71.183.139.60 (talk) 00:33, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a picture of the soundtrack?
Shouldn't there be a picture of the soundtrack? It is after all in no way similar to the promo poster, in fact you can note differences between the cover and the promo poster. Now if the DVD cover was used I would not ask as the DVD and soundtrack cover are very similar. 184.58.24.163 (talk) 17:06, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I uploaded the soundtrack cover but it was deleted. See the section "Image for infobox?" above for more information. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:28, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I looked into WikiProject Film and no where do I see it say you cannot post a soundtrack cover. So little confused there. 184.58.24.163 (talk) 22:20, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * So is it pretty much a choice factor? You can include one but you do not have to? 184.58.24.163 (talk) 22:21, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Musical numbers section
I deleted the following content from the article:


 * The list of musical numbers is taken from the actual broadcast and are in order as they appear in the broadcast and include the characters' names who perform the song.


 * "Preludium" – Nuns
 * "The Sound of Music" – Maria
 * "Maria" – Sister Berthe, Sister Sophia, Sister Margaretta, and the Mother Abbess
 * "My Favorite Things" – Maria and the Mother Abbess
 * "My Favorite Things" (reprise 1) – Maria*
 * "Do-Re-Mi" – Maria and the children
 * "Sixteen Going on Seventeen" – Rolf and Liesl
 * "The Lonely Goatherd" – Maria and the children
 * "How Can Love Survive" – Max and Elsa
 * "The Sound of Music" (reprise) – The children, the Captain, and Maria*
 * "The Grand Waltz" (instrumental)
 * "Ländler" (instrumental)
 * "So Long, Farewell" – The children with the guest singing the final "Goodbye."
 * "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" – Mother Abbess
 * "The Lonely Goatherd" (reprise) – Max and the children*


 * "Do-Re-Mi" (reprise) - The children*
 * "Do-Re-Me" (reprise 2) - The Captain*
 * "The Sound of Music" (reprise 2) - The Captain and the children*
 * "My Favorite Things" (reprise) - The children with Maria joining towards the end
 * "No Way to Stop It" – Elsa, Max and the Captain.
 * "Something Good" – Maria and the Captain
 * "Processional" – Nuns
 * "Maria" (reprise) – Nuns
 * "Sixteen Going on Seventeen" (reprise) – Maria and Liesl
 * "Do-Re-Mi" (reprise 3) – Maria, the children, and the Captain
 * "Edelweiss" – The Captain, Maria, and the children
 * "So Long, Farewell" (reprise) – Maria, the children, and the Captain
 * "Finale Ultimo: Climb Ev'ry Mountain" - Nuns
 * "End Credits" (instrumental)

* These musical numbers are not included on the soundtrack.
 * Note

Comments
I am pasting it here for easy return to the article, if needed. To me, though, this is unnecessary given the article about the show. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:58, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I would agree that it seems redundant. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 02:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it is redundant as it is a remake of the play and not to mention that there are songs that are not included on the soundtrack but are featured in the "show" and it should be noted and what better then having a full list of the musical numbers? 184.58.24.163 (talk) 23:44, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I would also like to point out that both the play's page and the film's page list their musical numbers and this is based loosely off both of them so again how is this redundant? 184.58.24.163 (talk) 23:50, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I am reposting the musical numbers section as there is no mention of the reprises that are not featured on the soundtrack and that is not "redundant" as they should be mentioned and seeing as the other Sound of Music articles mention their musical numbers then so should this. 184.58.24.163 (talk) 21:22, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Please stop re-adding the "Musical numbers" section without discussing here first. Two contributors have expressed their opinion that the information is not necessary. --15:42, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * From my understanding of WP:Consensus just cause two people agree does not mean that the inclusion or removal of information has been agreed upon unless more contributors agree so this is actually at a stallmate and can be included by anyone who wants to post it. If you would like more people to agree or not then you should take this to a wider range and allow more people to comment instead of editwarring over something that has not been agreed upon. I never personally seen this version of the show nor do I want to but looking at the information I can see why including it would be a good idea as I know nothing about the show and I personally would include it if I were to edit on the page as I did not know there we're more songs then what is featured on the soundtrack. I would personally change the name of the characters to the performers but that is me. But as I have no interest in this I would say I am nuetral on this. 50.104.108.167 (talk) 21:34, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Agree it should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.121.116.150 (talk) 06:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support inclusion 184.16.71.34 (talk) 00:57, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Include 50.121.36.219 (talk) 14:32, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Unlike the Broadway play, which "Something Good" is sometimes a replacement for "An Ordinary Couple" in the original play, depending on who is doing it that means it can vary production to production. This production will never change, it was broadcast live and then released on DVD with a certain list of songs, also I notice that the play page is missing several reprises that the broadcast seems to have included or is actually in the play but Wikipedia did not post on the play page. This page needs to be treated as a separate entity like film page is, the play, the film and the broadcast are all three unique in their own way and need to be treated as such. 50.121.36.219 (talk) 15:08, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I fully concur with Another Believer, Ten Pound Hammer, and Sarek of Vulcan that this part should not be included. That's a consensus of 4 to 1 against its inclusion. 00:03, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Five to four sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.18.223.59 (talk) 09:05, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Posting multiple times with a variable IP does not count as multiple editors. 14:02, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, the soundtrack listing should be returned. Unless there is strong preference that the soundtrack have a separate article. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Soundtrack infobox
I would like to raise a concern about the infobox of the soundtrack album.

The genre is stated as Classical only because the AllMusic Guide website slots this soundtrack there. AllMusic slots most if not all its recordings of musicals and film scores in the Classical genre, even musicals with pop/rock scores. I have tried to change the genre of this soundtrack to Broadway, soundtrack, musical theatre and show tunes. However it was reverted. I know that my edits may not have solid grounds and I know that the new normal in the classical music world is such that musicals and film scores will be programmed in more classical events in the future. However the other Wikipedia infoboxes for musical cast recordings do not include the Classical genre.

If there are mistakes in the AllMusic Guide listing, can we cite another source if we change any data in the infobox? Could you look into this matter? Yip1982 (talk) 01:48, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Split
I believe the soundtrack has enough information on its own to be split into a separate page instead of on the main page. Plus not to mention there is several repeats as credits keep getting repeated and what not it just seems the two should be split and moved to The Sound of Music: Music from the NBC Television Event. 50.121.36.219 (talk)
 * Add on: Not to mention section repeats. 50.121.36.219 (talk) 14:09, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅. Bigpolesmokerfromoh (talk) 09:51, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

future

 * Peter Pan 2014
 * The Music Man 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.116.191.43 (talk) 04:19, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

See Peter Pan (2014 television special). -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:44, 9 June 2014 (UTC)