Talk:The Star Beast (Doctor Who episode)

Advance reviews for episode
Hi editors

Just posting some urls for advance reviews of this episode as they probably should be used in the article. I'll try to write them up in the article properly as well.
 * Empire
 * Dexerto
 * Radio Times
 * Hello!
 * BBC News
 * Cosmic Circus
 * HeyUGuys
 * Inverse
 * GamesRadar/Total Film
 * Collider

And the Rotten Tomatoes link is here

-- Ted Edwards  18:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Can someone add them? 2A00:23C7:6989:2701:C96:15F:5868:380B (talk) 03:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Is Rose a companion?
I have found one source saying she is,. Nothing else so far but mabye a case of the special came out two days ago, and there hasnt been enough discussing the character.Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her)
 * It's not always easy to define a companion. If it's someone who travels with the Doctor, she hasn't done that yet. Too early to say, really.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * She is not credited in the opening credits, thus that is why she is not listed as a companion here. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 20:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Noele Clark doesnt appear in the credits of Journey's End (Doctor Who) yet hes listed as a companion Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Apart from primary sources, such as Russel T Davies, we need reliable secondary sources commonly and consistently labelling her as such. Sources such as DWM started calling Clark as a companion for that. DonQuixote (talk) 23:07, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Hatnotes
Please stop using redirects in hatnotes per WP:HATNOTERULES. The very first basic rule of the guideline states Linking to redirects is typically not preferred. -- wooden superman  11:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * And for all those mentioning WP:NOTBROKEN, this is not the relevant guideline, as hatnotes are not mentioned in this section. Funnily enough, we should be deferring to WP:HATNOTE as the default guideline for hatnotes! -- wooden  superman  11:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Linking via the redirects looks like the better option for readers in this case as the names are clearer and more concise than the section links. I'm not sure what the origin of the HOTNOTERULES guideline is, but it does explicitly say "exceptions can occur". Thryduulf (talk) 12:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Exceptions can apply to every guideline, doesn't mean we should without a very good reason. With the section links you know exactly where you are going, with a redirect in the hatnotes, it looks as if you will find an article on the subject, which falls foul of WP:SURPRISE! -- wooden  superman  13:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The hatnote implies nothing about an article, only that the reader will find the content they are looking for at the target. The Star Beast (Doctor Who comic) and The Star Beast (Doctor Who audio drama) make that clearer than Fourth Doctor comic stories and especially List of Doctor Who audio plays by Big Finish. There is no WP:SURPRISE violation here. Thryduulf (talk) 13:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That doesn't make any sense at all. How can a redirect with a hidden target make something clearer than a link to the actual target which shows exactly where you are heading??? We have guidelines for a reason. -- wooden superman  14:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Woodensuperman here. The full text of that guideline line-item is "Link directly to other articles; do not pipe non-disambiguation links. Linking to redirects is typically not preferred, although of course exceptions can occur. Links to disambiguation pages should always end in "(disambiguation)", even when that version of the title is a redirect.' I.e., it is making an exception for "Foo (disambiguation)" redirects to make it clear to readers they will be going to a DAB page. While it arguably leaves open the possibility of some other exceptions being plausible, that doesn't mean any exception someone randomly wants to make can be "enforced" by someone with what amounts to a WP:ILIKEIT reason. These two particular redirects are confusing and unhelpful. They're being imposed to make the hatnote "look pretty", but they don't at all identify where the user will be taken, and the result is bewildering. It should be clear to the reader that they are going to a section on a series of things in an another article, in which they can expect to find what they are looking for. When you mislead them into thinking they're going to a dedicated article about what they are looking for, it just looks like an error. This is pretty much the sort of SURPIRSE that is meant at that page. And yes, NOTBROKEN has nothing to do with hatnotes; it's about running prose in article text. I would make an exception if we could expect eventual actual articles at either of "The Star Beast (whatever)" redirects, but this is extremely unlikely.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:21, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Regeneration story?
Following this template reversion, asking here: Is The Star Beast a regeneration story? I say no. The Doctor is fully regenerated when the episode begins, it does not immediately follow Power of the Doctor, and the regeneration process is not discussed. U-Mos (talk) 13:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Shades of Galaxy 4?
Shortly after I saw The Meep, and how the others reacted to it, I couldn't help thinking of Galaxy 4. Lowlyeditor (talk) 20:40, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Chronology in infobox
I'm not at all keen on the infobox having the episode show as being preceded by two different episodes. That to me doesn't work and breaks the chronology. Either the episode is preceded by the previous episode, OR it is preceded by the special (which is then preceded by the previous episode). Wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff may work for the Doctor, but for Wikipedia we should be trying to be as clear as possible shouldn't we?

(I realise there are going to be other episodes/articles this comment will no doubt also apply to; I've admittedly somewhat arbitrarily ended up putting it here because this is the article that's on my watchlist.) JustAnotherCompanion (talk) 15:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


 * It is included because Destination Skaro isn't a proper episode. See the page for Survival or Nightmare in Silver Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)