Talk:The Sufferer & the Witness

July 4 vs. July 11
Someone keeps changing July 11, 2006 to July 4, 2006 as the release date for their new album The Sufferer and the Witness. I follow the news at any punk website very carefully and there has been no evidence that it's coming out on July 4th. The news at Punkbands.com claims that it will be out on July 11th. From now on, I would like a source for July 4th, so this edit war can end or just leave the article how it is. As I said on Talk:Rise Against. 65.222.216.15 21:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Check my response on Talk:Rise Against. sharp dust  00:15, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Behing?
One of the song titles was "Behing Closed Doors" I changed it to behind but I see that some places actually have it as behing. Which is it? $cammer 20:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

-- Its "Behind Closed Doors" --67.174.211.55 01:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Boy's No Good
I haven't found any trace of the song 'Boy's No Good' actually being available in any way, suggesting that it isn't actually a bonus track on 'some European albums' as someone has said. Can anyone show any proof it exists as of yet (seeing as it is supposed to be released on a Lifetime tribute album soon)?

I found it when searching for rise against lyrics, well the lyrics.

hardcore punk
the album isn't hardcore, its all in punk rock or melodic hardcore, even bricks isnt hardcore. listen to Revolutions per minute then at this album and you'll seen what I mean.

its hardcore
Ready to fall is hardcore punk, under the knife is hardcore punk, drones is hardcore punk, injection is hardcore punk and boys no good is hardcore punk!

under the knife isn't, it just sounds violent with the title. Under the knife uses melodic vocals and more of a pop punk rhythm with the only screaming a few words in the bridge.

the Melodic hardcore page, mentions rise against as a melodic hardcore band with melodic vocals with the occasional screaming. Injection and ready to fall fit the roles well.

Post-hadcore
Songs like "Ready to fall" falls in this category. Slow tempo to fast tempo with screaming — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.94.213.82 (talk) 17:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Noyse
Rise Against wanted "This is Noyse" appear to be "This is Noise". Its not a 'misconception'. This is pretty clear when they released their Canadian-Exclusive album of B-Sides, "This is Noise". (Fallingwalls1 14:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC))

The Approaching Curve
There are female vocals in this song. Does anyone know who it is? (X3ni 21:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC))

It's the girl from Holy Roman Empire...it said so on their myspace awhile back. --.simply because you can breathe doesn&#39;t mean you&#39;re alive. (talk) 02:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Into?
On my cd it shows the first track as Chamber the cartridge, not intro/chamber the cartrige... i think it should be changed--.simply because you can breathe doesn&#39;t mean you&#39;re alive. (talk) 02:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

i agree ive just checked the back cover art on tesco website who are selling the album... have amended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.70.164 (talk) 19:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

EMO
There was "EMO" in the genres? Has anyone got proof that this album is EMO genre? I've removed it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.167.21.232 (talk) 20:04, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, one copy of TS&TW in Best Buy had a sticker that read "Emo's biggest badasses are back with a 5 out of 5 album" or something like that. Though I do not agree with the "emo" part. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.54.248.168 (talk) 22:35, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Lyrical Themes
The "lyrical themes" section reads like it was copy-pasted out of an album review and really doesn't talk about the lyrical themes at all. Who wrote that? Someone who knows the actual lyrical themes of the album ought to do a rewrite, or just remove the section altogether. 75.10.144.40 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC).
 * I'll guarantee you it was copy/pasted from that source. I'm going to delete the section, but leave the title to remind someone to do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.141.38.10 (talk) 06:36, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Madden NFL 07
The song "Drones" is used in the video game "Madden NFL 07" by EA Sports. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.154.152.129 (talk) 10:39, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Boy's No Good trouble
For the person that was doubting if Boy's Noo Good was actually a bonus track I must say that after being years collecting rise against music I own 5 different copies of the album (in CD). If I'm not wrong all my copies are legit copies. No fake CDs. I'm checking every CD now and I have 2 CDs with that Bonus track: The Australian (simple) Edition with just one Bonus track. Then The Australian Tour Edition with 6 Bonus tracks including Boy's No Good between them. Anyone who wants just ask for proof.

(I even have a version of the album from Australia in which the front part says " Includes bonus track 'BUILT TO LAST' " and then in the back part says " INCLUDES BONUTS TRACK: BOYS NO GOOD " which I understand as an error when printing the CD booklet. ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ederollora (talk • contribs) 16:43, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Genre
All these genres mentioned above and within the article need sources from third parties. See WP:RS and WP:OR. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:00, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

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