Talk:The Sum of All Fears (film)/Archive 1

Cathy Ryan, Absence of Kids (deviation from the book section)
Catherin muller appears in the movie, but in the book they are well after the third child and married for a long period. this was also established in the Patriot games movie. can anyone add this? LyTe 20:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Neo-Fascists
The characters in the movie were not Neo-Nazis, they were Neo-Fascists. They made a point of mentioning fascism specifically, and it is unwise to confuse the terms Nazi and Fascist. --Blue Spider 09:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

01:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC) :: I don't agree:

Dressler's watch doesn't show the old (pre) WW2 Italian or Spanish mark of fasces but a swastika. No dichotomy. Also, the uprising of neo-nazi groups in Europe, the worldwide cooperation of nazi's and aryan nations are mentioned specifically.

Chargen 01:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

not to mention the fact that in the book Jack Ryan is the DDCI (Deputy Director of the CIA) of the intellegence part. Not a mere paper pusher. Plus in the book Its Ryan that stops the president from bombing some other country by over ruling him with the TWO man rules of engagment when it comes to the use of nuclear weapons. The only thing that is acuate about the movie vs book is that name of a few Characters and the fact that America was attacked by terrorists.

Trivia
Tattoo : mr. Mason (the dockworker) is asked for the origins of his tattoo. The tattoo is the "Join or Die" rattlesnake [Join or Die]Chargen 02:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Fighter The IAF fighter in the opening scene is an Dassault Mirage (presumably type Mk5). The CIA jet is a Dassault Falcon 900EX Chargen 02:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Error in "Deviations"
The "Deviation from the Novel" section includes: "the setting in the movie is in a post-Soviet world." This is not a deviation - the book is also set in a post-Soviet world. I will delete that statement from the article, unless someone disagrees.


 * I don't recall there being an issue with the Russians and Chechnya in the book; should that be a deviation as well, or is it covered under the deviation from Muslim extremists to Fascists? IstvanWolf 11:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Nemerov vs. Narmonov
In this article, the Russian President's name is spelled Nemerov, but both in the Sum and Cardinal books, Clancy clears writes his name as Narmonov. Narmonov is also the way that the wiki article spells it, as well as most of the google hits.
 * In the film, it's spelled (and/or pronounced) Nemerov, so the wiki article is correct here. -> deviation? --Chrysalis 05:57, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Smoking
Smoking is used as a plot device in the movie. Dressler says that Smoking Kills, the nuke is camoflaged as a Cigarette Vending Machine and Dressler is killed by a bomb connected to the Cigarette Lighter of his car when trying to light a cigarette.

Film Reception by Critics?
Should we add a section on the public and critical reaction to the film? I believe I remember it being nay-sayed by critics and Tom Clancy fans, though I don't remember what the public reaction to the films was (as in was it a hit or not).

I'm thinking about looking this information up and adding it like other films on wikipedia have, however I am at work and don't have the time right now to do this. -- Brian ( view my history )/( How am I doing? ) 21:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

A4 Jet Crash
I seem to recall from the movie that the jet hit a mountain and was not shot down. But then I haven't seen the movie since it came out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.209.16 (talk) 14:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Negative. The pilot sees the missile corkscrewing right at him. Chris-marsh-usa (talk) 01:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

"Muslim extremists"
The phrase was innacurate. The terrorists in the original novel were not Muslims extremists but members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, whose ideology is attached herein. I replaced it with Arab nationalists. 147.9.234.143 (talk) 18:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

A distinction without a difference. Their overriding goal, which was slipping through their bloodstained hands, was not regional peace but the utter destruction of Israel. This makes them indistinguishable from Islamic jihadists. No doubt they were most if not all, Muslim. (And they were, undeniably, 'extremists'.)

At any rate PFLP's makeup is irrelevant to this discussion. The issue here is Hollywood's customary cowardice in bowing to pressure from Islamic front groups that instinctively attack any less-than-positive reference to Arabs or Islam as 'Islamophobic'.75.94.231.73 (talk) 04:09, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Driver starts car before passenger gets in
Gayle Rivers in "The War Against the Terrorists: How to Win It" encouraged readers to have their driver start the car before they got inside. If their driver refused, they were encouraged to hire one who would. Dressler deviated from this only in that he drove his own car. As the book was written in 1986, by the time the movie was set, people like Dressler would have been dealing with car bombs for a long time, 20 years or more. I encourage the book as useful background reading for people more interested on the subject. You can find used copies on Amazon third-party retailers. Rivers encouraged the use of a thousand very highly trained counterterrorists, much like the special forces used in Afghanistan to chase and eventually kill bin Laden, with the difference that terrorists were not ever to be taken alive (a terrorist in custody is an invitation to incite terrorism to create hostages to bargain for the terrorists' release).Chris-marsh-usa (talk) 21:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Somewhere in the book Alexander Haig said to the effect, if we don't stop terrorism over there, we'll be fighting it over here later. Gayle wrote "He might as well have been spitting in the wind." And then we had 9/11.Chris-marsh-usa (talk) 21:12, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Who was blamed for the nuke attack?
At the end of the move Dressler gets killed in a (US government planted) car bombing. That means, there was no official trial or even charges of the Neo-Facists who did the bombing. And this on the other hand means, that they didn't even get blamed for the bombing. So, who was blamed? Who was charged with the nuking? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.153.221.249 (talk) 23:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "Neo-Nazi" =/= Neo-Fascist as "Nazi" =/= Fascist And "Nazi" wouldn't be a designation meeting professional standards either. The real word is National Socialist, but I guess it would render it useless to some who are Socialists themselves and would like to use it to label others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.14.204.185 (talk) 08:32, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I thought Spinnaker got Dressler.... Chris-marsh-usa (talk) 11:09, 18 December 2013 (UTC)