Talk:The Tide Is High

Seperate or together?
I'm thinking of updating the article. I think I can get some more info for the Blondie single and I have the info for Atomic Kitten single, but I doubt whether there is enough known about the original. So what's the best way? 3 seperate pages with the first being very short and two pages with adequate info doesn't sound like a good idea but one page with three versions can get crowded. Maybe a special infobox which combines the info might be a solution as well. Please discuss. KittenKlub 13:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Unnoticed?
The article says:
 * "This song went all but unnoticed in the rest of the world until it was rediscovered in 1980 and 2002."

However, according to a person I've talked to who was in the United States in the 60's, the original was supposedly a decent hit. For the younger generations, how much the song took notice might be difficult to grasp...—Tokek 13:45, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

it was also released by Angelina in 1997
 * Supposed 22:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Ya' know Billie Piper also did her version of it on her second album,Walk of Life. --Drax 02:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

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Atomic Kitten's own page
Is it ok if Atomic Kitten have their own page for this song? They have enough information for their own page, and it takes up like, half of this page. If nobody replies, i'm going to do it anyway :P AtomicMarcusKitten (talk) 15:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Reggae?
Is there a reason why this song is classified as reggae? According to the article on rocksteady the Paragons played rocksteady and reggae was established around 1968. Also, "The Tide Is High" lacks most, if not all, of the distinctly reggae elements listed in the article on rocksteady.

Of course, I realize that the line separating ska from reggae is vague and that rocksteady (and even ska!) hits often appear on "reggae" collections. So I have no doubt that calling the song reggae was a good faith edit. I'm asking this question to learn as much as anything else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.191.200 (talk) 20:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The original version was rocksteady. I'd say Blondie's was "pop reggae", but still reggae.--Michig (talk) 17:23, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Good question. Reggae?
Blondie's version seems more like in the calypso music style - the percussion, the drums, the rhythm - those are not reggae. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikko bogdan (talk • contribs) 11:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Lumping several singles by different artists into one article is a bad idea
This article is a good illustration of what a bad idea it is to cover singles by different artists in one article just because they have versions of (roughly) the same song as the A-side. It looks a mess. The large sections on the cover versions should be split off into separate articles and just a summary kept here. The article should have *one* infobox summarizing details of the *song*, not one of the singles that it was released on (but our infoboxes are also a mess, with many of the fields in the 'song' infobox only relevant to a single or recording). --Michig (talk) 17:01, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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Composer Verification
I have had a hard time verifying the composer of this song. The article intro says it is:


 * written by John Holt, originally produced by Duke Reid

The article infoboxes for all but Kardinal Offishall release say the composer is John Holt. (I'll discuss the Kardinal Offishall after the rest.)

However, I can find no reference to confirm that John Holt is the composer. Going by the release artwork (details below), The Paragons releases have no composer credits. The Blondie version gives writing credits to Duke Reid, who the article says is the producer of The Paragons version. The Papa Dee version credits Howard Barrett, John Holt, Tyrone Evans (the principal members of The Paragons' lineup when their version was recorded). The Atomic Kitten version credits Howard Barrett, John Holt, Tyrone Evans, Bill Padley, Jem Godfrey, the latter two being producers of the track.

The secondhandsongs.com page for the song gives writing credit to Tyrone Evans, John Holt, Howard Barrett.

The release artwork details are:
 * The Fabulous Paragons:
 * https://www.discogs.com/The-Fabulous-Paragons-On-The-Beach/release/5178390
 * No composer credits


 * The Paragons (LP and single):
 * https://www.discogs.com/The-Paragons-On-The-Beach/release/12068433
 * https://www.discogs.com/The-Paragons-On-The-Beach/release/608904
 * https://www.discogs.com/The-Paragons-On-The-Beach/release/4512949
 * https://www.discogs.com/The-Paragons-With-Tommy-McCook-The-Supersonics-The-Tide-Is-High-Only-A-Smile/release/4734034
 * http://www.45cat.com/record/nc795970jm
 * http://www.45cat.com/record/nc475613jm
 * https://www.discogs.com/The-Paragons-With-Tommy-McCook-The-Supersonics-Band-Only-A-Smile-The-Tide-Is-High/release/5658033
 * http://www.45cat.com/record/ti7009
 * No composer credits for all


 * Blondie:
 * LP (Autoamerican)
 * Single
 * Composer credits are to Duke Reid


 * [Edit: More recent CD reissues for example, give writing credits to "Holt, Evans, Barrett".]

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For the Kardinal Offishall release, the composer credits are given to "J. Harrow, D. Chin-Quee, J. Holt". This matches the article infobox except that the infobox adds "Robyn Fenty", who doesn't appear anywhere in the "Numba 1 (Tide Is High)" track notes, let alone the explicit writing credits. Fenty isn't actually mentioned anywhere in the booklet that I could see. Without further details, Fenty's appears to be an error.

[EDIT: "Robyn Fenty" is Rihanna's real name. Rihanna also isn't included anywhere in the CD booklet track notes for the song but is included in the "Thank You's" section (about 1/3 of the way down). But there is still no indication of her having writing credits.]

Notable, the Kardinal Offishall track notes for "Numba 1 (Tide Is High)" do say:
 * Contains interpolations from the composition "The Tide Is High" written by John Holt

Wantnot (talk) 12:07, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

“Other versions” section needs to be created
There are many other covers not listed in this article, and there should be a section listing other notable covers. Rihanna, Keri Hilson, and Billie Piper are all notable artists who have commercially released covers of this song. SecretName101 (talk) 13:05, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


 * See WP:SONGCOVER which sets a high bar to inclusion. Basically, you need to show chart success or a WP:SECONDARY source describing the cover version as remarkable in some manner. It's not enough that the cover version exists. Binksternet (talk) 14:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)