Talk:The Togliattiazot affair

2020 undiscussed page blanking and redirection
Hi everyone,

I noticed that removed this page and redirected it to the TogliattiAzot company page instead. I'm a little surprised how/why this happened.

The official explanation is simply that "this is a POV fork based on sources that are questionable at best and absolutely not reliable with respect to anything regarding Russia's government." but I think this is hardly sufficient as an explanation to justify immediate and unannounced deletion. I would have appreciated prior notice on this here discussion page so we can ascertain what the problems are and find a solution. The fact that this wasn't done seem rather odd and hostile to me.

I'm more than willing to discuss this, and wouldn't mind some guidance on how to proceed. Many thanks Dustpirate (talk) 09:54, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * This blank and redirect has now been undone. I do not see how this article can be a POV fork, while it is a different fork, it is dealing with the criminal offending of the directors of TogliattiAzot, which are barely hinted at in that article. As such this is not an article expressing a conflicting POV, it merely expands on a related aspect of the company, which, if covered in that article, would totally outweigh and unbalance the rest of that article. The two articles might benefit by being linked together a bit more formally, but it I am uncertain about the best way to go about doing so. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 00:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Inadvertent page move
In an attempt to fix the blanking and redirection of this this article to first Togliattiazot and then TogliattiAzot, this article has been moved back to the title The Togliattiazot affair, reversing a page move that happened on 3 April 2020, more than a month prior to the article being blanked and redirected (BLAR). While the content of this article was later restored to how it stood on 3 April 2020, I think the title change was actually appropriate, and its reversal was inadvertent, as the reversal did not address the subsequent BLAR issue. However, the page move was not discussed, initially. Generally, the definite article should be avoided at the beginning of a name. When to use or not use The in a title is the subject of several naming conventions and Manual of Style guidelines. For this article, The can be omitted from the title because it is not part of the name of the topic being described by the article. Cameron Dewe (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)