Talk:The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series) season 1

Colour contrast problems
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"lagoon graphics"
What does "lagoon graphics" mean, anyway? I know what the intro looks like, but it doesn't look much like a lagoon to me. Reminds me more of a 3D representation of neuron structure in the human brain, or something. Anyway, I don't find anything about "lagoon graphics" when I Google it, except for pages copying this article. Is this a real thing? And is there any point in using the phrase if people don't know what it means?AnnaGoFast (talk) 18:52, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 6 January 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved: it's clear from the last requested move that consensus was in favour of temporarily using the comma to join the parenthetical disambiguators in order to ensure correct italicisation and for consistency. As these, along with a few others which I have also moved in accordance with the last requested move which were identified by, are in uncharted territory with regards to WP:NCTV, it is probably best to go to WT:NCTV and start an RFC to get a lasting consensus on this kind of thing. I will do that and ping everyone in the morning, but I'm completely knackered now. (closed by non-admin page mover)  SITH   (talk)   22:45, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

– Let's try to keep this discussion going. Based on the previous RM discussion at Talk:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003 TV series, season 1), it seems that there is general consensus that the kind of "double parenthetical disambiguation" that we see in this case is not desirable. However, there is much less consensus on a "permanent, systematic" solution to articles with this – I will go into more details about this in the discussion section below. In the meantime, I am following up the Talk:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003 TV series, season 1) discussion with a similar proposal here, while discussion on this issue continues. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:21, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series) (season 1) → The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series, season 1)
 * The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series) (season 2) → The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series, season 2)
 * The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series) (season 3) → The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series, season 3)
 * The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series) (season 4) → The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series, season 4)
 * The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series) (season 5) → The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series, season 5)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.


 * Support per nom and TMNT move. One parenthetical with the TV series and season number seems like the most precise solution.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 23:23, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. It is not normal English usage to "stack" two parenthetical back to back; just merge them into one.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:37, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per all of the above. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:46, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

Background

 * There are two primary ways to disambiguate TV series under WP:NCTV: "by country" (e.g. The Voice (U.S. TV series), The Voice (Australian TV series), etc.), and "by year" (e.g. The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series), The Twilight Zone (1985 TV series), etc.). For standard TV series, "season" articles are disambiguated with (season [#]) – e.g. Arrow (season 7). For those TV series with additional "by country" disambiguation, disambiguating separate TV "season" articles is relatively straightforward and WP:CONCISE (and WP:PRECISE, as well) – e.g. The Voice (U.S. season 5).
 * However, disambiguating separate TV "season" articles for "by year" disambiguated TV series isn't nearly so straightforward. If the "by county" "season" method is followed, you would have something like The Twilight Zone (1959 season 1), which some of us argue is confusing – e.g. not WP:PRECISE enough (i.e. what does "1959" refer to?). This is why the "double parenthetical" disambiguation arose – i.e. if List of The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series) episodes is correct under WP:NCTV, then why not do The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series) (season 4)?...
 * I think it's generally recognized that "double parenthetical" disambiguation like this is undesirable – So what is the solution? The current options seem to be:
 * The Twilight Zone (1959 season 4) (but, again, this is confusing and not precise enough for some editors such as myself...)
 * The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series, season 4) – the current proposal: basically following the "double parenthetical" disambiguation solution, but without the "double parenthetical"
 * The Twilight Zone (season 4, 1959 TV series) – like the above, but disambiguating the season disambiguator rather than the other way around
 * The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series) season 4 – like option #2, but doesn't parenthetically disambiguate the "season" part
 * The Twilight Zone (1963 season) – ignoring the "series" disambiguation, and simply disambiguate the season itself, with the year it premiered
 * other options?...
 * I don't necessarily have any good suggestions here – this is just to establish the basis of a discussion... Thoughts?

Further discussion

 * Comments on the 5 options listed above. #1 I agree is confusing on its face, but it is the most consistent with how we handle by-country season articles. #3 with the reversed order doesn't add much but takes away from the paradigm of listing things in an order from more general to more specific. #4 to me seems like a more readable option compared to #2, and we could use the same pattern for by-country (Big Brother (U.S. TV series) season 3). #5 should really use year span rather than only the premiere year, as that is the more common way of describing a season (Show (1960–61 season)), but would not work if the seasons of by-year shows overlap the same years.  Overall, I like the #4 option best right now. -- Netoholic @  20:49, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I prefer option #2 to option #4, but I could live with #4, though I'd probably want it limited to just the "by year, season" cases, as I think there is absolutely nothing wrong the current format of the The Voice (U.S. season 5), etc. cases (as they're both WP:PRECISE and WP:CONCISE). I think it's less "important" that we go for "consistency" between the "by country, season" and "by year, season" cases, and more important that we come up with a systematic way to handle the "by year, season" cases that most people are satisfied with. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:36, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what to do in this RM TBH. The Teenage Mutant Ninja turtles one just passed for one version, so going here for any other version is just bad. However, that said, as before, I prefer option #4, and for me that can and should also work for Big Brother (U.S. TV series) season 3, but also Arrow (TV series) season 3 and for the same reasons, as "season" really isn't a disambiguation, but the actual subject of the article. --Gonnym (talk) 22:28, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, my problem with "generalizing" any method from this discussion is that your suggested article titles are far less WP:CONCISE than what we're doing currently (e.g. Big Brother 3 (U.S. season), Arrow (season 3)). I don't see any advantage to changing the current systems. So I'm not going to support any changes to what's working for NCTV article titling already... What we should focus on something that works for cases like this one, and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles season articles, etc. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:54, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.