Talk:The Undertaker/Archive 14

Wrestler Relations
Per Bruce Prichard Taker is NOT related to Brian Lee or the Harris Brothers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.151.123.139 (talk) 07:45, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

About the "retired" and "semi-retired" issue
I made sure to add notes that can only be seen in the source editor that there is no proof of The Undertaker being retired or semi-retired so nobody should change it to that. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Undertaker&diff=835645586&oldid=835643833 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Undertaker&diff=835645686&oldid=835645586 Hypnobrai (talk) 22:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's what I really wanted as you did right by adding note. I didn't knew that you're gonna do something to stop people from edit-warring and 3RR. I even discussed User:NotTheFakeJTP for that issue as well as I left messages at talk pages of WrestleMania 34 and also here above too at 'Career' and 'Retired?' Threat. See my messages I write consulting this issue. CK (talk) 02:34, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Just as you did by adding hidden notes to stop such editings and additions, I did the same thing on various articles where I wanted to clarify same reason as same as you. this note thing is most helpful for me. Thanks. CK (talk) 16:08, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

WP:INVISIBLE : This has become more helpful for me personally. I removed such trivia that links retire or semi retire as you discussed the issue and added nots. I further added notes where needed and from where I removed the trivia of retirement. PING PLEASE to reply. CK (talk) 08:56, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

WP:INVISIBLE : Thank You Thank You Thank You so much for the invisible notes you added. but one thing in message, you're talking about that can be seen in source editor, i use visual editor too and also visible there. You finally resolved the issue and it also worked for me. Thanks Once Again. Leave me a message at my talk page. CK (talk) 20:53, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Retired on April 3 not April 2
WresleMania 33 was he first WWE WrestleMania to go past mid night, making it a two day event. Although the event started on April 2 at Orlando, Florida The Undertaker vs Roman Reigns match, that is Undertaker's final match and departure happened after midnight on April 3. So I request that his retirement date be changed from the misleading April 2 to the actual date April 3. Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WrestleMania_33 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2701504-wwe-wrestlemania-33-top-takeaways-from-the-grandest-stage-of-them-all http://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/19059780/wrestlemania-33-results-recaps-ratings and more.

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2018
Was wanting to add that Koko B. Ware after the match confronted the Undertaker about him using the pile driver. From "Something to Wrestle" with Bruce Prichard. Bruce states that B. Ware was upset and felt the move was a little snug, and felt like he was almost dropped on his head. Although no physical altercation happened, The Undertaker was pulled away from him and walked away. ShyOne317 (talk) 02:23, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 12:18, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * @L293D Not really changing anything, just adding some information about his first match in WWF/WWE. The reliable source is from Bruce Prichard himself, who portrayed Brother Love at that time, which was the undertakers' manager. At the beginning of his WWF/WWE run, talking about his first match is where it could be added, after the match. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShyOne317 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Reactivating this per my talk page. L293D (☎ • ✎) 17:40, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@L293D Im sorry, I just don't see how this is confusing? It was just something to add about his first match. Just something that occurred after the match was over. Im sorry if I made anything confusing ShyOne317 (talk) 20:37, 29 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShyOne317 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: This doesn't sound like something that merits mention because it didn't have any lasting impact on Undertaker's early career. We don't need to mention every little detail about every little thing, regardless of whether it's true. That said, I'll watch the Prichard podcast as I have time in the coming days and will revisit this if I think a mention is justified. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 20:46, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That's fine, I just thought it was interesting. And you can listen to his "Something to Wrestle" podcast on iTunes or Google Play. But, I do understand if it didn't have a major impact on his career it doesn't need to be there. As I said, just thought it was interesting. Thanks for looking into itShyOne317 (talk) 21:21, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

The Undertaker returns to the Madison Square Garden
The Undertaker is currently scheduled to return to Madison Square Garden at a house show on July 7,2018 TheBigBoss3900 (talk) 04:57, 16 June 2018 (UTC) The undertaker did return on july 7th 2018. Can we add this to wiki please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.124.157 (talk) 05:04, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

undertaker madison square garden,
Undertakers last match was a wwe msg. I feel we should add this to wiki. He fought in a 6 man tag team match. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.124.157 (talk) 05:07, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Weight
On the WWE website they say 309 lbs but at the MSG event, he was billed at 299 lbs. Which do we go with? Clip of MSG event here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTw4gnvX1mc. Kingoftheworldb (talk) 09:46, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 299; he's used that a lot longer and since his latest match was billed at that weight that's what we should use. Hypnobrai (talk) 02:07, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2018
I got information to add about Undertaker that needs to be put on this page. MrAlpha35 (talk) 19:17, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  JTP (talk • contribs) 22:07, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

SmackDown 1000 and WWE Super Showdown
Undertaker is scheduled to be at Smackdown 1000 later this year and scheduled to face Triple H at the Super Showdown — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.100.111.128 (talk) 07:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Please .....
Refrain from adding such trivia that related to retirement. CK (talk) 08:58, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

What is the religion of Undertaker? Farhan9007 (talk) 16:17, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Is there a reason the page is still reverted to that photo of him from right before Wrestlemania 30 nearly 4 years ago when he looks quite different now?
There's plenty of recent photos of him to use.

You are true. The dead man should be given a photo that suits his dark theme Binayak Choudhary (talk) 10:26, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2018
Please change Calaway is a fan of boxing and mixed martial arts. He has practiced Brazilian jiu-jitsu and earned a black belt in 2011 under Rolles Gracie Jr. His striking gloves and Hell's Gate submission (a modified gogoplata) were also inspired by mixed martial arts.[citation needed]

To Calaway is a fan of boxing and mixed martial arts. He has practiced Brazilian jiu-jitsu. His striking gloves and Hell's Gate submission (a modified gogoplata) were also inspired by mixed martial arts.[citation needed]

Notes: He may practiced Brazilian jiu-jitsu that I don't know. But I know for a fact he did not get a black belt in 2011 under Rolles Gracie Jr. I train under Rolles and asked him this last night. Rolles confirmed he never even met Mark. Please remove as people are calling the school about it. Jasontal (talk) 14:37, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: I removed the mention of Gracie due to your good faith challenge to unsourced material about a living person; see WP:BLP. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:03, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Delete "who was signed to WWE" from lead.
We already say he signed in 1990 just beneath it and remained since. "Since" should also be changed to "till 2017". InedibleHulk (talk) 12:37, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2018
69.125.124.157 (talk) 06:51, 27 December 2018 (UTC) The 6 man tag team match the undertaker did should be added from july 7th 2018.
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 07:08, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

On July 7th 2018 at madison Square garden. Undertaker took part in a 6 man tag team match teaming up with Roman Reigns and braun Strowman vs elias, kevin owens and Barron Corbin. This was extra special because they lit up madison Square garden in purple that night. I feel that they should be added between his wrestlemania return this year and the brothers of destruction Article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.124.157 (talk) 04:51, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

This is from wwe youtube page https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTw4gnvX1mc

They also had a link on there website but it was not letting me use it This is the wwe.com link wwe.com/article/undertaker-return-madison-square-garden-july-2018 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.124.157 (talk) 05:17, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

I hope that this was made clear enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.124.157 (talk) 02:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2019
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6 feet 6inch 2A02:C7D:28BE:3500:1D8E:71AD:E5BA:C61B (talk) 07:22, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2019
About the lines written in Other Media section, I wanna change the line and lastly in WWE 2K19 (2018) to and appears in every WWE video game since, with his most recent appearance being WWE 2K19 (2018) because the line refers that WWE 2K19 is the last game to feature him. asking because I visited the article of The Miz and Kane (wrestler) which shows and appears in every WWE video game since, with his most recent appearance being WWE 2K19 (2018). 110.39.193.58 (talk) 09:14, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
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(Madison square garden) On July 7 2018 the undertaker made a very rare appearance at madison square garden. He teamed up with roman Reigns, and Braun Strowman to take on the team of Baron Corbin, Elias and Kevin Owens in a 6 man tag team match. They lid up the arena in purple for this appearance and he also buried the hatchet with Roman Reigns after the match by shaking both his hand. This was a very important event and should deffently be added to wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.124.157 (talk) 15:07, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Smackdown at Madison Square Garden

On september 10th the undertaker made a tv appearance on smackdown live from madison square garden and choked slammed samizane. the event took place last night and I feel should be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.124.128 (talk) 18:15, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Can we please put his madison Square garden appearance back on on sept. 9th 2019 when he choked slammed sami zayn. It was the last time he appeared on tv. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.124.128 (talk) 05:08, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Not trained by Don Jardine, according to Bruce Prichard
The page says that the Undertaker was trained by Don Jardine, but in this Youtube interview, Bruce Prichard, the first manager of the Undertaker, says he was not trained by Don Jardine, but was just "a big fan" of him.

watch?v=eu1yWCaWxF4?t=71

EGarrett01 (talk) 10:47, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Direct link to the Prichard comment raised above.
 * Wrestling journalist Greg Oliver indicates that Jardine did not train Calaway.
 * Pro Wrestling Torch notes that Jardine did not train Calaway (from the 18-minute mark).
 * Wrestling database Cagematch.net amended Calaway's trainer from Jardine to Buzz Sawyer.
 * During his long-form interview on the Broken Skull Sessions, Calaway says that he began training under Sawyer, and mentions no other trainer (from the three-minute mark).
 * According to an interview with his longtime friend and colleague Paul Bearer, Calaway went directly from sporadic training with Sawyer, to wrestling professionally for World Class. Again, no mention of Jardine.


 * Calaway's supposed training under Jardine is a myth (to stand alongside his long-reported "1984 debut"), born of the fact that he aped Jardine's mask, black gear and "agile big man" shtick. Calaway did inherit the rope walk-elbow from Jardine while they shared a locker room at World Class, but that's not even close to "training" someone (did Ric Flair "train" the Miz by passing on the figure four?). I have removed Jardine's name from the "trainer" parameter. Telekinetics (talk) 01:43, 29 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Nice spotting guys. DTH 89 (<i style="font-family: Courier New;"> sexy talk page </i>) 6:24, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

1984 in world class
Though many sources say 1984, his first tv match in world class against Bruiser Brody as "Texas Red" was in 1985. percy pringle (who managed him in the match) was in Florida in 1984 so it could not have been then. Pringle showed up in WCCW on October 18, 1985. So it can't be before then. Brody didn't work any TV tapings for WCCW in 1984. The tapes of the match all come from a WCCW syndicated show from 1987. You can tell it was 1987 because of the feuds mentioned by the commentators.2600:1700:CA01:F20:F8D6:1543:1A15:51C9 (talk) 00:28, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the 1984 claim is BS. Calaway debuted in 1987, and that's now reflected in the article. Telekinetics (talk) 02:13, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Undertaker made an appearance at madison square garden on July 7th 2018. He teamed up with Roman Reigns and Brawn Strowman to defeat the team of Elis, kevin owens and Barcorbin. This should be added to his wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.124.157 (talk) 06:43, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Update Image
A more up to date image should be used for Undertaker due to the current one from 2014 being seriously outdated. His hair has grown back and he no longer sports the goatee from 2014. --86.129.223.228 (talk) 15:23, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2020
replace the current picture with a picture of him In the ring. Mwolfanger10 (talk) 19:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Pictures can be found at c:Category:Mark Calaway. Please reopen this request with a specific image.  JTP (talk • contribs) 20:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2020
WWE Smackdown! vs RAW 2009 2001:1970:56EC:C700:18F3:9B53:6160:3E01 (talk) 18:42, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2020
The unfinished list of video game appearances should include wwf attitude 109.255.75.225 (talk) 21:35, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2020
Not done: Since you didn't actually state any edit request, there's no way of knowing what you want changed. If you reopen this edit request, please specifically state the changes you want. See also WP:Edit requests. Rummskartoffel (talk) 20:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

What happened to the first half of this page?
There's no introduction, and the first, what, twenty years of his career are missing? It clearly starts in the middle of a storyline that off the top of my head started in the late 2000s. Broken tag, too. I don't know enough about Wikipedia (or the Undertaker) to fix it, but it seems odd to have such an obvious issue on such a high-profile page.2601:249:1680:6D00:AC08:E57:3031:2C18 (talk) 23:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2020
The undertaker was trained by Don Jardine aka the Spoiler Buzz sawyer had very little to do with his trainining. 47.220.39.138 (talk) 23:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:16, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

This edit should never be carried out. The OP's claim is based on an internet myth. Dory Funk (talk) 18:34, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Undertaker Leaving To WCW Is Uncited Fake News
" Per an interview with Kevin Nash, this was a move to allow Calaway to enter World Championship Wrestling with a non-trademarked persona. Had he entered WCW, it would have been as Mark Calaway. Although negotiations were described as close, he ultimately re-signed with the World Wrestling Federation."

There is no source for this, and even if there were, Kevin Nash isn't exactly a notable source anyway. Undertaker has denied ever having real interest in leaving anyway, but that doesn't matter since that is baseless. Remove please. 32.213.92.111 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2020
37.238.81.27 (talk) 21:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
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Disputed retirement
There's currently an edit reverting issue on the article on if Undertaker retired from wrestling or not, Andrew9393787 keeps constantly deleting the info saying that it isn't official. But accourding to Calliway himself, he officially stated in the "Undertaker: The Last Ride" documentry that he has official retied from wrestling for good. Can we please discuss this issue on here first instead of starting an edit war. Or restore the info so this won't get any worse. 2600:1000:B06A:2A4C:C904:FE2D:8095:69C8 (talk) 19:07, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Googling for [//www.google.com/search?q= Undertaker retirement], I mostly found speculation and very few results that actually outright stated he was retiring, although I did find one BBC article, which, I assume, should generally be a quite reliable source (although that one also has a kind of speculative tone to it). Personally, I'd say we should err on the side of caution and wait till we get more sources unambiguously and without any hints of speculation stating his retirement. In any case, pinging . Rummskartoffel (talk) 20:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I just misunderstood why he kept on deleting it. But your right, best to wait until we get more sources. 2600:1000:B01B:F2E0:D86F:6A09:38B9:5D4E (talk) 22:38, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Some wrestlers claimed he retired. Some sources say he is retired  . But other just say he hinted the retirement    So, let's include that he hinted the retirement. Not that he retired, but neither delete, since it's covered. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe we should report his current status. this source reports that "as of now, WWE says he is done as an active wrestler." This absolutely does not imply that he won't try another comeback, but for now he is retired. I also join the chorus of the two editors complaining about Andrew9393787's behavior. This is a collective encyclopedia and as far as I can see from his edit patterns he does not seem to be here to contribute constructively. Khruner (talk) 20:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * First, WrestlingNews is listed as a unreliable source by the project. Most of the sources say he "hinted" the retirement, but nothing definitive. The optimal thing it's to report he hinted his retirement, since most of the souces said so. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Fine by be, I took it as reliable just after checking that it is used on several pages on the topic. Khruner (talk) 07:39, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Mr Calaway has never used the words "retired" or "retirement", which seem crucial with regard to declaring him a retired wrestler. News sources, however respectable, don't get to throw in the towel for him. Dory Funk (talk) 11:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually they do. If multiple, reliable, secondary sources claim that he is retired, this is what we should report on Wikipedia, until he officially denies the claims; in the latter case it would then be necessary to update the information, preferably when the denial is reported, again by reliable, secondary sources. Khruner (talk) 12:37, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * "It is acceptable to use common sense as you go about editing. Being too wrapped up in rules can cause loss of perspective, so there are times when it is better to ignore a rule." If ever there was a time, it's now. Journalists do not get to decide people's retirements. Dory Funk (talk) 13:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Dory Funk Neither do Wikipedia editors get to decide that he is still active, but violation of WP:NOR is such a common feature of WP:PW, thank heavens its under GS. Various WP:PW/RS says he is retired, WWE themselves used a tribute show, not everyone uses the word "retirement" to describe the end of their career, synonyms are used, as with CM Punk, I don't recall him ever using the word "retirement". Shawn Michaels after returning in 2018 is listed "retired" despite him never using the particular word, but similar to Taker he said he had no desire to wrestle again. Neither did Ric Flair say he retired in 2011, but he said "he was discouraged from ever wrestling again after Jerry Lawler's heart attack."There is 0 WP:RS that Taker is still active, its all based on WP:NOR violating speculations of some editors. Anyway I won't bother to change anything regardless, because I didn't believe either HBK would return after 2010, he ended up doing it for Saudi money, so who knows. At least it IS mentioned he hinted retirement, so I am satisfied with that. Dilbaggg (talk) 19:10, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Most sources say he hinted his retirement, that's why his article says he hinted his retirement. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:09, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Like I already mentioned above the same can be said about The Rockk, Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair and even Stone Cold they all hinted retirement by saying they have no desire to go back to the ring and simultaneously stopped wrestling and their retirement dates were listed asas per hints, not a direct statement from WP:PW/RS. very few wrestlers have used the direct word "i am retired" to describe their stats. The same with Undertaker and there are multiple WP:PW/RS saying he retired, like  from Sports Illustrated listed as a reliable source. The Shawn Micchaels article uses this source  as his retirement date November 3, 2018, but nowhere is it stated he retired, it was the hint the same as Taker. So why only say Taker's retirement is a hint, change HBK's stats too. Best case would have been if there was a consensus imo. Dilbaggg (talk) 12:44, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The source you gave, Title "Is The Undertaker Really Finished?" subtitle "WWE’s Undertaker documentary teased his retirement, but anything is possible in the world of pro wrestling." So, source doesn't support his retirement. Superluchas "Undertaker hints that at WrestleMania 36 he played his last match" wrestleview "The Undertaker hints that he is retired from professional wrestling, “no desire” to wrestle". wrestleview "At the conclusion of the fifth and final episode of “Undertaker: The Last Ride,” Mark Calaway hinted that he was retired from wrestling" BBC "His words suggest plans to retire after a career spanning three decades. But neither Mr Calaway nor the WWE have formally announced his retirement from the league." He said he has not desire, but didn't confirm the retirement. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:43, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * About the others: Flair "I want to be in the ring, but it will never happen again. I said I’d never wrestle in WWE… and then there’s the Jerry Lawler incident. / I went back to the ring in TNA, and that will never happen again." Michaels Fightful "stated that he is officially done with in-ring competition." the WWE interview it's "“We are going back to our regular lives. It’s a lot of fun to do, but I’m glad it’s over too.”" The Rock Men's health "The Rock Just Announced His Official Retirement From Wrestling in the WWE" About Austin, I think you can find several sources about his retirement at WrestleMania. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:59, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * HHH Pedrigree thank you for your detailed clarification, I agree with you now. Dilbaggg (talk) 04:27, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Here are links to two recent interviews with Callaway. I don't know what you think, but he sure sounds retired to me...

https://nypost.com/2020/11/11/undertaker-reflects-on-wwe-career-before-survivor-series-farewell/

https://www.thewrap.com/the-undertaker-wwe-survivor-series-retirement-boneyard-match-mark-calaway/

194.69.14.62 (talk) 15:06, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I recently added the Wrap interview as a reference. Taker says he's "officially retired", which ends the debate. Dory Funk (talk) 16:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * yes. Debate is over. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

The Undertaker said a final farewell at the 2020 Survivor Series on November 22, 2020. 194.69.14.62 (talk) 07:54, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

"My time has come to the let the Undertaker Rest in Peace."[
Did he really make such an ungrammatical statement? And, if he did, do we have to repeat it? And if we do repeat it, do we not have to put something there to indicate that we know that it isn't correct English? --Khajidha (talk) 17:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't be there. Crufty addition that doesn't scan well. Dory Funk (talk) 18:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Sidebox: "Retired June 21, 2020"
That's not accurate. He's yet to officially announce his retirement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.71.190 (talk) 21:58, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

He announced it on the WWE network special The The Last Ride. The WWE is further confirming his retirement with a new Twitter account called #ThankYouTaker.Mancalledsting (talk) 14:55, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


 * He'll be back next year maybe even sooner no way he ends his entire career WITHOUT being in the ring

I don't like that Andrew9393787 keeps erasing even what Taker mentioned in The Last Ride. I too have been a fan of The Undertaker, but Wikipedia is a encyclopedia and not a fan pageMancalledsting (talk) 00:01, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

This is not true. The Undertaker did not officially retire until November 22, 2020 at Survivor Series. Captain Acorn (talk) 19:51, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

WWE 2k14
Should the "streak mode" be mentioned, since its a significant part of the popular game? Dilbaggg (talk) 08:22, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * maybe. If the game is focusef around the streak, is goos to be mentioned--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:26, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Important Note To editors
Do not look at the Cinematic Boneyard match differently than any other matches Taker and (steel cage, HIAC, Casket, etc). Wrestling is scripted, spots, moves, winners, losers everything predetermined and most matches (like SmackDown matches pre 2016) are taped and not aired live. So do not treat the boneyard match differently just because you feel its different, that will be a WP:NOR violation and also the boneyard match was similar to "burried alive matches", its just a variant gimmick match of it. i leave this not because I see a few editors tried to make it look different, it might not be a traditional singles match, but the same goes with all gimmick matches like HIAC, TLC even the age old steel cage matches which existed decades and WWE has always been scripted since its inception in 1963, it was never real fighting, so it makes no difference. Dilbaggg (talk) 04:29, 6 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I’m not one of the users you refer to, however I would assume one of the primary distinctions in their eyes is that the Boneyard match is widely speculated to have been created using several takes edited together, in a way that wouldn’t be true of matches performed in front of a live crowd.
 * It may be worth specifically addressing that perceived difference.
 * 79.97.2.84 (talk) 04:41, 6 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is no place for fan's speculation, this is Wikipedia, not Wikia and Wikipedia relies on WP:PW/RS taht is reliable, widely accepted mainstream sources. WP:NOR applies, and jjust because few fans see it differently doesn't mean its different from any other gimmick matches in scripted wrestling. The way its written in the current version of the article (dated February 6, 2021) is perfect. Thanks. Dilbaggg (talk) 04:47, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? If you are talking about pointing the Boneyard match is a cinematic match, well.... most sources pointed it's a cinematic match. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 08:13, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes HHH Pedrigree I said the current version is ok. Some just tried to overemphasize and place WP:Undue on it, I just rectified it. Cheers. Also sources do not say its different from any other type of gimmik matches in scripted wrestling like Hell in a Cell match, TLC match, etc, Cinametic Boneyard match is just another type of match similar to Buried Alive match. Dilbaggg (talk) 08:18, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not that similar. HIAC, Buried Alive, Ladder matches are stipulations, cinematic matches are a style. With cinematic shots and montage. While pro wrestling matches are taped like a sport (no montage, real time), cinematic are more like cinema or tv. (shots, cuts) --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:36, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * That is again your WP:OR opinion, no WP:RS distinguishes it from any other gimmick matches, they just call it cinematic which it has been included in article, but nothing more than that, like any other matches spots, win/loss etc are fixed similar to any wrestling matches like say Taker vs HBK WM 26 10 years back, or any matches that were taped for SmackDown. The sources only call it cinematic which it is, but its just another scripted match like any other wrestling match and no need to treat it differently and place WP:Undue on it. The current state of the article is fine the way it is. It includes the term cinematic as per WP:RS, while acknowledging that its just another type of wrestling match similar to all other matches. Have a good day, cheers. Dilbaggg (talk) 16:47, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2021
He also played in the movie critters — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6011:7F02:7166:D9F2:B693:BDF0:7371 (talk) 14:03, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

WrestleMania Headliner
Undertaker did not headline Wrestlemania in 2020. Brock Lesnar and Drew McIntyre did. Please remove. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.72.173 (talk) 15:33, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No. Nights 1 and 2 were available as standalone pay-per-views, with their own individual pre-shows and box office receipts. Any way you slice it, Undertaker closed out a PPV titled "WrestleMania". Telekinetics (talk) 20:21, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * He indeed headlined a PPV, but it happens to be called WM36 Day 1. Brock and Drew headlined a PPV called WM36 Day 2. But if you put those two days together, only one match was THE main event of the entire show (called WM36, without day 1 or day 2 added to its name), and it is as always the last match of them all. To say Taker headlined WM36 is to say he was the last match on WM36. Was he? No. There were 8 matches (+2 dark matches) after Taker vs AJ took place. We can give him a PPV main event for sure, just not another Mania main event, because even though Mania was a 2-day event this year, it was not called WM36 and WM37, because it was one big show split into two PPV airings.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 14:26, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * "He indeed headlined a PPV, but it happens to be called WM36 Day 1". Um, yeah. What PPV did he headline on April 4, then, if not WrestleMania? The Wrestling Classic? This Tuesday in Texas? In Your House?
 * You're hung up on directly equating WM36 to all the single-broadcast, single-main event Manias of yesteryear, which is a blatant fallacy. Never before has the event been broadcast as two separate PPVs, rendering this an unprecedented, very different beast. Nobody has a problem with the idea of a two- or three-day music festival having a separate headliner for each individually-ticketed day, so why is this so hard? Both Styles/Undertaker and Brock/Drew headlined WM36, by virtue of closing out their respective PPVs. Peace. Telekinetics (talk) 20:39, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with Telekinetics, but again would like to point out that it really doesn't matter if they main evented or not because the phrase "headliner" is thrown around so loosely. We say Ric Flair headlined WrestleMania VIII and his match wasn't at the top of a card like this one was.LM2000 (talk) 22:50, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ""He indeed headlined a PPV, but it happens to be called WM36 Day 1". Um, yeah. What PPV did he headline on April 4, then, if not WrestleMania? The Wrestling Classic? This Tuesday in Texas? In Your House?" You misread it. He headlined WrestleMania DAY 1, not WrestleMania. WrestleMania was split into two PPVs, but only one match closed out the overall event called WrestleMania 36, and it obviously was not Taker AJ.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 00:46, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, you insist on awkwardly filing an unprecedented two-day Mania alongside one-day Manias, arguing that a two-day event can only have one headliner because, um, that's what one-day events had. An obvious logical fallacy.


 * If the April 5 show was just some clean continuation of the previous night, then why did it have its own PRE-show? No, these were two equal, clearly-delineated PPVs. As such, WM36 had two headlining matches. WP:DROPTHESTICK. Telekinetics (talk) 01:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It had its own pre show because it was a PPV on its own, but under the banner of WrestleMania 36. How many matches were the final match of WrestleMania 36? Only one, because how could there ever be two? I am not denying that there were two PPVs called Day 1 and Day 2 of WM36, but there was only one WM36. Otherwise next year's Mania would be called number 38 and I highly doubt that will happen. So until they name it WM38, this was one Mania split into two PPVs and therefore Taker only main evented the first half, not the entire thing.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 21:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I really do not understand some of these editors who don't understand the fundamentals and logistics of things. You cannot compare WrestleMania to a music festival. WrestleMania 36 may have been sold as two separate PAY PER VIEWS, but WrestleMania 36 was was NOT "two separate shows/events". It was ONE show and ONE event called "WrestleMania 36" which was split into two PARTS. WWE themselves even list it this way on the WWE Network. "Part 1" and "Part 2". While Taker may have been the last match or "headlined" Part 1, he did not "headline" the event of WrestleMania 36. Brock Lesnar and Drew McIntyre did. Until a day when WWE indicates this, please remove the reference that he headlined WrestleMania in four difference decades and on five occasions.
 * Stop insulting users who disagree with you (WP:CIVIL). Telekinetics (talk) 02:13, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 14:18, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Per Dave Scherer of PWInsider (WP:PW/RS), Styles vs. Undertaker was indeed a WrestleMania-headlining match. I have restored the lede to its previous form: if one wishes to challenge this, please provide a WP:PW/RS source that asserts Styles vs. Undertaker was not a headliner. We're past bickering here, especially now that a preferred source has chimed in. Telekinetics (talk) 01:13, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

I personally still disagree on this and I also don't find journalists from dirt sheet sites to be considered people who deteremine this. Until WWE themselves acknowledge that Undertaker headlined five WrestleMania's(or Styles) the true main event of Wrestlemania 36 should still stand as Drew vs Brock. Taker vs AJ headlined a "part" of WrestleMania 36, sure, but it wasn't the true headline/main event match. This should be removed. 24.38.208.110 (talk) 01:49, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

WP:PW/RS is what the community has decided upon. More WP:PW/RS sources and mainstream sports ones  designating the night one closer as a WrestleMania-headlining match. Cloudbearer (talk) 16:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2021
Want to edit the grammar on the page and specific places Mark William Calaway visited in his life 2.28.157.24 (talk) 11:11, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please be specific about what you what changed. If you want to edit this page yourself, you will need to create an account.  RudolfRed (talk) 17:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2021
The undertaker is my faveroute wrestler i want do a if undertaker beat brock lesnar at wrestlmaina story 31.52.77.203 (talk) 10:35, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:09, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2021
109.78.20.26 (talk) 04:27, 25 December 2021 (UTC) Undertake is from Toronto Canada
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Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2022
adding the following facts: Mark Calaway, portraying the Undertaker, holds an unofficial world-record for most appearances in different, Officially Released video game consoles, having appeared in all the following: All Sega Consoles excluding SG-1000; All Microsoft consoles; all Sony Consoles; all Nintendo consoles except Virtual Boy and Wii U, and also PC, Mobile and Arcade. Therealabrahan (talk) 02:10, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2022
The statement "Through the rest of 1990, Undertaker faced many jobbers" should be added on to say "Through the rest of 1990, the Undertaker faced many jobbers such as Ray Hammer, Terry Davis, Sonny Blaze, & Randy Hunter." Also, he faced another opponent after Mancini but before Survivor Series, which was Rick Sampson on November 20, 1990, which was on a taping of WWF Wrestling Challenge. Also, I don't know if this is notable enough to be in the article, but Undertaker also made his first promo on December 23, 1990, which was a promo about the Royal Rumble. If you need proof that all these events happened, I believe there is a messaging feature on Wikipedia and through their I can share videos of all these. Ulysses Grant Official (talk) 05:00, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This is already unnecessarily detailed. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:33, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2022
The Undertaker, Inducted into the WWE HALL OF FAME April 1, 2022. He has joined the hallowed halls of the Immortals. He will go down in history as the GREATEST OF ALL TIME. His Career spanned across 3 decades. Truly a one of a kind person in and out of the ring. Words by anyone will never do him justice. source, WWE. 2601:203:4202:F940:E89D:A9DD:A487:B500 (talk) 18:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 18:36, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Elimination chamber
I think elimination chamber victory should go down as a accomplishment for the undertaker plus he also won a 5 man royal rumble in 1999 2A00:23C8:4F06:FD00:4D4F:660:88FE:3929 (talk) 23:15, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

1999 WCW
You have that according to Kevin Nash in an interview he stated that “Mark was changing into the biker gimmick so he could enter WCW”, I think you should state that via Steve Austin’s Broken Skull Sessions on Nov 22nd 2020 Mark himself stated that there was no way he was ever going back to WCW he was just changed to the biker gimmick because he didn’t think the Deadman gimmick would fit or last long after the attitude era. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dazza20006 (talk • contribs) 10:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Edit in 1st para
The first Para states "Calaway remains employed for WWE through a 15-year contract signed in 2019".

Since we're in 2022,grammar and tense need to be changed"

Can a senior editor make the necessary changes.

Thanks PsyShift (talk) 21:06, 15 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I believe the grammar is correct here: it's saying that in 2019 he signed a contract lasting for 15 years — <i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i> 21:07, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2022
Can we please change undertaker's picture? It's almost 10 years old. It's outdated. 2600:1700:9E01:B30:7DC9:F65D:E66B:73BC (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Please provide an image with an acceptable license. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:57, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Wrestling holds
I was surprised that unlike many other wrestling bio's this one did not list the Holds/Moves that are signature to the Undertaker. Can that section be added? 67.86.156.39 (talk) 18:45, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

is William going to have more matches?
noticed he returned as the american badass which was cool Adshead123 (talk) 00:30, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Attitude Era
Request to include at least one link to Attitude Era article, at first use of term in article body, for added context/visibility of AE article. 130.45.24.168 (talk) 23:43, 26 February 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅, thanks — <i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i> 23:48, 26 February 2023 (UTC)