Talk:The Venture Bros./Archive 3

Archived
A year's worth of dicussion was rather long, I went ahead and archived it. Sorry if there were other discussions still open. -th1rt3en 19:52, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Mr Bound 19:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Comic Books and Other Literature
I'm just wondering if any of the comparisons to Marvel characters in this section have been verified by those involved in the show. Saying "...Doctor Orpheus, who is based on Doctor Strange" sounds like it's a fact. The same with saying that Underbheit is patterned after Dr. Doom. Has this been stated by the show creators? If these are just editor theories, they don't satisfy the Wikipedia requirement for verifiability and need to be removed (or at least reworded). I'm not saying we need to remove it just yet, but I think it warrants discussion. Anyone have any input?

While we're on this topic, I think that comparing Action Man to Captain America and Brock Samson to Eddie Brock/Doc Samson is a stretch. If it has been verified, we should remove the phrases "may be based" and "could be based". Anyone else?--CPitt76 00:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Made a correction. Eddie Brock never had a mullet nor did Doc Sampson. Sampson simply had long hair.


 * My 2¢... it seems obvious (to me, anyway) that Orpheus is based on Strange. I don't know if Publick or Hammer have specifically said so, but it seems right. That may not belong in a Wikipedia article if it isn't verified, but I'd be sad to see it go. The Action Man and Brock links are a bit more tenuous in my opinion, but then I never read much Captain America and I missed the Venom years.
 * This has nothing to do with Wikipedia policy, and in fact probably goes directly against it, but I think a small amount of speculation in articles is acceptable as long as it is marked with "may be", et cetera, and does not purport to be verified. - DynSkeet * Talk 12:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, look far back in Publick's LJ. He calls Action Man a 'low-grade Captain America' in the entry regarding Past Tense. And the similarities between Underbheit/Doom and Orpheus/Strange honestly are too great, in my opinion, that they can't be obvious-the personalities and basic appearances are pretty similar, and we know VB parodies a lot of comic-book stuff in the first place. Brock being modeled after the others mentioned with him I agree is a stretch, though. Umbric Man 12:07 A.M. 26th July 2006


 * The monarch called underbheit "that dimestore Dr. Doom", i think that's reference enough for him. Hank was called the Scooby-Doo kid as well. -th1rt3en 04:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree that the Orpheus and Undherbeit similarities are obvious, and I think it's great info that I'd love to include in the article. All I'm asking is that if someone has a source we can reference (like Umbric's) to please add the reference info.  Check out the article on verifiability.  Wikipedia has three content-guiding policies and verifiability is one of them.  It doesn't matter how obvious we think something is, unless it's verified we can't include it.  I'll try to find it too, but if we can't come up with a source, the info will have to be removed. --CPitt76 23:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh! Reference. In that case, yeah, some like the Venom/Doc Samson references are honestly on shaky ground, as are the henchmen/X-Men outfit and Molotov/Black Widow similarities. I'd personally say we toss those out-they look similar, yeah, but I never thought of those references at all till I actually read 'em here. I'll say the Nick Fury/Hunter Gathers reference ought stay for the Underbheit reasons, also. Umbric Man 12:59 P.M. 27th July 2006


 * We do have a reference for Nick Fury: "Then, in a draft that also went about twenty pages too long, he was to have been Brock's secret agent mentor, Hunter somethingorother (I think it was Hunter Cobb, after pugnacious baseball legend Ty Cobb), who spoke like Hunter S. Thompson and looked like Nick Fury." 68.66.132.200 20:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And here's the reference for Doc Savage/Jonas, Captain America/The Action Man, and Aquaman & SubMariner/Otto Aquarius:


 * Perfect. Thanks for the references guys.--CPitt76 01:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, in response to the X-Men/Henchmen outfit similarities (I was the one who originally put that in) I think especially given all the other Marvel references in the show it's a pretty safe bet. They especially resemble the very oldest versions of the costumes, with the skintight dark blue or black bodyglove, non-skintight yellow shorts, tunic, and glove, yellow belt with insignia on the buckle.  The way the butterfly is shaped on the Henchmen's belt is even very reminiscent of the X-Men X, and the Henchmen's masks are smaller versions of the mask Marvel Girl occasionally wore in the original costume and always wore in the later costume.  There are even similar variations, like in Speedy's costume with the hole in the top for his hair; Marvel Girl and Angel had that from time to time. For comparison, see this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Uncanny1.jpg Again, if not for the numerous other Marvel references I'd call it coincidence, but it really is very close. SABERinBLUE 21:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Of everything described above (and makes sense), I'm still taking out Brock Samson having anything to do with Venom/Eddie Brock. Other than a lot of carnage (no pun intended), there's no connection. --Happylobster 17:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Clones and Memories
Given that Hank and Dean have not yet (that I have seen) been put into a situation where there memories are tested and they pass (Hank does not remember Dr. Girlfriend, etc.), is it possible these clones have no memories beyond the point Dr. Vebnture "recorded" their minds? This also explains why he tells them they are a different age than their id cards show them to be, why he tells them it's their birthday (though this could be a clone joke)m etc.? This sounds a bit original research, but it may become or already be viable enough for the articles - specifically a correction in the goofs section of the episode 14 article; Hank not knowning Dr. Girlfriend becomes part of the continuity and not a goof. Daemon8666 08:46, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * How do you know that Hank didn't remember Dr. Girlfriend? None of his dialogue indicated that he didn't. Dean was the only one asking her questions. 68.66.132.200 23:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, it's clear that they remember Dr. Orpheus and Triana. And the line from "Powerless..." is, "That computer feeds all their nocturnally-recorded memory synapses." The implication seems to be that their beds, in addition to filling their heads with new data, also record their memories while they sleep. So if that's true, then their memory would be intact until the last night before the events of "Return to Spider-Skull Island." 68.66.132.200 00:28, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * However, the clone pods still make them 16 years old, so one could speculate that Dr. Venture "adjusted" their memories to not remember their ages. Either that or Hank and Dean are EXTREMELY gullable ;) -th1rt3en 02:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, Dean does believe that Brock just knocks guys out and the police carry them away in sleeping bags...--CPitt76 01:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, call it plot exploitation for the sake of fun, but Dean and Hank had no idea who Dr. Girlfriend was. They've met her on several occassions too. Dean has even referred to her as the lady with the super deep voice in season 1.


 * No, no. You see, she was in disguise at that time. Just ask Superman, glasses and a different hair-do work wonders as a disguise. ;-) 70.40.150.89 03:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Would you refresh my memory for when Dean met Dr. Girlfriend? I know Hank did when he was taken to the cocoon, but can't remember when Dean met her.--CPitt76 01:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * He didn't meet her as Dr. Girlfriend. He briefly met her as Charlene. But yeah, she was in disguise, so it doesn't really count. 70.40.150.89 04:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

techno song
Maybe this is not the best place to ask but does anyone know the name of the techno song in the first episode of the new season?


 * As mentioned in the trivia section for "Powerless in the Face of Death" it's "Everybody's Free" by Aquagen featuring Rozalla. - DynSkeet * Talk 17:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * This version of the song can be found on Dream Dance Vol. 24, if anyone feels it relevant to add this to the article. I can't decide either way.  SABERinBLUE 22:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

"Failure" section
'''This section has been moved to its own article in order to A)Reduce the size of the main article and B)Allow for further expansion of this important theme in the series. Please cleanup, expand, and otherwise improve the new article in any way you can.''' --Carterhawk 09:04, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

While extremely interesting, I am beginning to think it may not belong in this article. Although it does cite an LJ entry, in general it sounds a bit "original research"-y. I like the intrepretation, especially the letdown of the promises of the Golden Age, but Wikipedia is really not the place for analysis. - DynSkeet * Talk 17:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * On the contrary, it is the exact opposite of original research as it came straight from the horse's mouth. The whole backbone of the subsection is a paraphrasing from the commentary given by Publick and Hammer including the Golden Age letdown part. As for the per episode examples, it may be slight original research, but there is a far minimal amount of outside sources for us to cull The Venture Bros.' information from besides the show and Publick's journal, so us editors are usually just putting two and two together; if you want to call it OR, just slap a sticker on the subsection and we'll try to fix the situation. Slof 20:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Even so, it's a little too essay-ish for an encylopedia, no matter how insightful it may be to the show. --Hazelfo


 * If it does go, I'll admit to sadness. That was a level I never considered the show before, and it's making me see it in a new and enjoyable light. I can also support the 'two-and-two' together thing-stuff like that tends to be obvious, we're just stating it. Sort of like how we peice together the parentage debate of Rocket or the ages of the characters from what info we glean in the episodes or whatnot. ...if that even makes sense in comparing. Umbric Man 1:19 A.M. 8th August 2006


 * Even though most of the debates are pointless and conjectural at best? --Hazelfo 11:45 P.M. 8 August 2006


 * Well, we can argue that's going with the failure bit...:P ;) You caught me, though, so I concede that point. Umbric Man 12:41 A.M. 9th August 2006


 * I haven't read the Livejournal entry cited, so I can't address what is speculation/interpretation and what is not. If the general consensus seems to be that it is more or less a paraphrasing of Publick's words, then I am all for keeping it. - DynSkeet * Talk 13:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It doesn't cite a Livejournal entry, it cites the lost commentary. Having listened to it, it's not so much a paraphrase as an extention and interpretation of what Doc and Jackson have said regarding the theme of failure prevalent in the show. It should at least be shortened. --Hazelfo 11:45 P.M. 8 August 2006


 * Actually, shortening I can definently agree with. Umbric Man 12:43 A.M. 9th August 2006


 * So... Can somebody go and do that please? This is what I never got about a discussion page. It is kind of like congress. Sure things get discussed for the better, but nothing ever gets done. We need some sort of Wiktatorship. OH WAIT that would give Wikipedia some merit. --Hazelfo


 * I've trimmed it a bit, but am hesitant to do so because I am currently unable to visit the link it cites. The part I have specific questions about is:
 * Similarly, the grandiose plans and tyranny of supervillainy have given way to the almost pathetic bureaucracy of the Guild of Calamitous Intent. Government agencies like the Office of Secret Intelligence are pathetic shells spouting patriotic jingoism that has little to do with the present day.
 * Does this come directly from the Publick commentary? Because the show hasn't really touched on the efficiency, or lack thereof, of the Guild and very little has been revealed about OSI. (Also, as a side note, there is much repetition of words like "pathetic" and "failure" in this section.) - DynSkeet * Talk 17:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't. Most of the section doesn't, too. They really didn't say much beyond "everyone is bad at what they do." Why... Why don't you listen to it? --Hazelfo
 * Hasn't really the only mention of how effective the Guild is pretty much been Brock saying it's the only organization he still respects in The Trial Of The Monarch? I mean sure, it's demonstratably bureaucratic (Are You There God, It's Me, Dean) and clogged with unobserved red tape (Home Insecurity, where the Monarch and Underbheit omit to follow protocol) but I wouldn't really say there's enough evidence to say it's part of the failure theme.  Which, by the way, I think is a useful addition to the article, the Failure section.  It's a bit unecncyclopedic, yes, but it involves an obvious theme of the show so it pretty well fits.  SABERinBLUE 21:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, so everyone loves the failure section. It's now close to being the lengthiest part of this article. As in other cases, not every example supporting the point should be cited. Since I'm one of the few who are somewhat dubious about the section, I will refrain from trimming it, but ask for volunteers to do so. - DynSkeet * Talk 20:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I am removing “His career at the Office of Secret Intelligence could be judged a failure, given his thankless and undemanding assignment of Doctor Venture's bodyguard.”, from the section on Brock. Brock clearly enjoys his job, and is affecionate towards the boys. Though his job seems thankless, it is not undemanding. Also, I saw no evidance that his OSI career can be judged a failure.

After making the change, the section on Brock seems incomplete. However, forceing an inaccurate discription of the character is not the solution. If Brock is a failure a more accururate example should be provided.

Trying to make all these characters fit the definition of "failure" is at best, hit and miss. Brock, for example, is not what I'd call a failure. The article says he is unable to successfully "go past second base" with Molotov Cocktease, but omits the fact that he scores with some hottie in almost every episode. That and he seems to enjoy what he does. I guess it could be claimed that he's not happy, but can it be said how? From here it looks like killing is his business, and business is good.

Based on events depicted in the episode "Love Bheits",would anybody add Baron Underbheit to the Failure section? - R.G. 07:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I dunno...his bit on gay marriage et al is more a satire on today's events than anything else, IMO, than a relic of the past and jet age failing miserably today. Interesting point, obviously, but not part of the timeline that section does, IMO. I'm happy to be convinced wrong though. Umbric Man 2:18 P.M. 22nd August 2006


 * Given that he was deposed and exiled from his own country though, he qualifies as a failure. -DynSkeet (Talk) 12:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not only that, but the resistance movement would have been a complete failure (they were just playing pranks on him!) were it not for the failure of Baron Underbheit. He was deposed because he violated one of his own laws and the "rebels" caught him.
 * I'm pretty sure the eunuchs were responsible for the rebels finding out. At least, that's what was implied.  But yeah, he's definitely a failure. —TheMuuj Talk 00:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Haha, you guys got me. Toss Underbheit in. -Umbric Man 12:01 A.M. 24th Augusr 2006

Well, I'm still not convinced this doesn't need trimming down. The parts listing the failures of indivudual characters is one thing (albeit a tad out of date in a couple places and a tad contrived in others), but the final paragraph about "societal failure" and the Guild and OSI goes right off the deep end into personal opinion. -CWD 03:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The whole thing is a massive homage in itself to the lengths fanboys will go to to understand their favourite shows. Original research through and through and through. I suspect that the only way to stop the rot will be to reduce it to a single paragraph. Yeah, so all the characters are losers. We get it already. Chris Cunningham 09:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Plot or Storyline, Let's Make A Descision
Ok so some of the episode pages have plot some have storyline at the top. I could not care less which way but we should make it one or the other. Every other page being different is silly. Joroth 22:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You mean the section says 'storyline or 'plot'? I vote storyline, makes more sense and sounds cooler. -Umbric Man 12:17 A.M. 11th July 2006


 * As The Venture Bros. is not a one trick pony, I'd actually prefer "plot". Although "storyline" is piquant, it's also universal and would seem to encroach. "Plot" is more direct and seems to be the standard word for most episode articles on Wikipedia. Slof 01:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * They all used "Plot", until some AOL user made massive bizarre changes to every article. That change seemed harmless, so I left it alone; most of the other changes involved changing plurals to possessives (boys to boy's). As for plot vs. storyline, I could give less of a fig as long as it's consistent. - DynSkeet * Talk 12:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Mentions of Time Machines
Under "Technology", it said time machines had been mentioned in two episodes. Right off the bat I can think of three: Are You There God, It's Me, Dean (Grover Cleveland's Presidential Time Machine), Past Tense ("I don't think time machines figure into this caper") and Escape From The House Of Mummies Part II, in which a time machine is actually used repeatedly to visit ancient Rome, Edgar Allan Poe, Sigmund Freud, 12:30 AM, etc.

I can't help but think there must be more references to time machines in passing throughout the show, but I'm certain of three. SABERinBLUE 21:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Apparently no one got around to adding that third one after "Escape to the House of Mummies, Part II", although it's there now. Off the top of my head, I don't recall any more time machine references. Slof 22:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Also V.N.E. had a time machine mentioned during #21's story about Phantom Limb and Billy. -th1rt3en 15:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Are we really going to count mentions of certain things? That seems a bit excessive. - DynSkeet * Talk 15:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to point out that I assumed "Septapus" was a reference to the character from another Adult Swim show, Home Movies. And that Hunter Gathers was at least in part (if not mostly) based on Hunter Thompson.


 * Yes, Gathers is based on Thompson. That is mentioned in the article under General Pop Culture, not in the Comic books section. - DynSkeet * Talk 13:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Timeline and Dates/Ages of Show and Chararacters: Figured Out.
As posted on the Venture Bros. livejournal community:

Okay. It's based on many offhand comments, but they are STILL in the show, so they count:

1. Dr. Venture, when he's 10 years old, writes to the Herculoids calling them 'hippies', as mentioned in "Twenty Years to Midnight". The show originally ran from '67-'69. He has to be 10 in 1969, because...

2....Adult Swim's website mentions Pete White's college days in the early 80s, and he was a buddy to Dr. Venture, also in college at the time. Going with the latest ages of Brock and Dr. Venture (see below), and subtracting the '21 years ago' that Brock joined the OSI, this leaves Brock as 19 and Dr. Venture as 23 during the night Brock annihilated Dr. Venture's dorm and Jonas Venture, Sr died. Dr. Venture mentions Brock is a 'freshman', and the four-year age difference means that Dr. Venture was very likely a senior, as was Sorayama, Underbheit, Pete White, Phantom Limb, and the Monarch. For the record, 23 is not an age I'd expect Dr. Venture to still be in college in. Perhaps he entered late, or his trademark shoddiness is showing. Billy is mentioned as being '12 years old' in Monarch's telling of Limb's origin story from "Victor. Echo. November." has a lot of relation to what Limb talked of himself in "Hate Floats", so I'll take that as being truthful. Therefore, Billy is eleven years younger than the rest of his contemporaries.

3. Dr. Venture lost his virginity at age 24-1983. Mentioned multiple times. Disturbingly so...

4. By the PRESENT DAY-the latest episodes-Venture is 44, as mentioned in "Twenty Years to Midnight", and Brock 40, due to his OSI origin being '21 years ago' (in 1982) than the constant, vague '20 years ago' crud we usually got when talking of the past, like when Jonas Venture Sr died. Simply adding the 19 years Brock was kicked out of college to 21 equates to 40, which fits in perfectly with the four-year age difference. By the way, for most of season 1 Dr. Venture was considered 43 years old thanks to his age mention in "Mid-Life Chrysalis", and he is now 44 in the middle of Season 2. Taking into account that it's been at least nine months and more likely at least a year between "Ice Station - Impossible!" and "Twenty Years to Midnight", this means each season is a very rough year, give or take some months.

5. The Venture boys are presumably 16 in the present day-even with the gag of "happy 15th-I mean 16th birthday, boys!" in "Hate Floats" enough time has past that they probably are 16 by now. So they were born when Dr. Venture was 28-1988.

6. Adult Swim claims that Triana's 17, which makes her older than the boys by only a year-born in 1987.

7. Simple math means that the show as we saw it 'started' in 2003, and is currently in 2004.

EDIT 1: If it's '21' years ago when Brock joined the OSI, he'd be 19 when entering college, not 18. But still four years younger than Dr. Venture.

EDIT 2: "Twenty Years to Midnight" implies it took Dr. Venture about 20 years to get the message from his father on the Grand Inquisitor (due to the episode title). We know that 20 years ago he was in college...subtracting the '21 years ago' Brock joined the OSI (I'd presume happened very shortly after trashing the college room) means he's 23 as a college senior. And since Jonas recorded it 'about 20 years ago' when the team sees the video for the first time...and Jonas died (if I remember right) of a sudden heart attack (had to be something sudden, considering his state-IMPLIED, I think)...this means perhaps Jonas Sr died of overwork figuring out the Grand Inquisitor's message! After all, Dr. V looked 10 when Jonas was working on the decoding, and it took him about '10 long years', perhaps a few more. This stuff all fits in together!

EDIT 3: Sorry, May-3rd-4th is not Thaddeus's birthday, my bad. Still, he has to be about 23 during college and when Jonas died, IMO. After all, each season is roughly a year and in "Past Tense" we're delving 20 years into the past.

EDIT 4: Clarified points 2 and 4 a lot more, and fixed Billy's age by a year. Do points 1, 2, and 4 make sense? Seriously. I'd assume during season 1 it's been an exact 20 years since Jonas Venture Sr died, and the '21 years ago' for Brock's origin makes me assume he's advanced a year in age like Dr. Venture did this season.

QUICK AGES:

Dr. Venture-44. Brock Samson-40. Baron Underbheit-presumably 44. Sorayama-presumably 43 (when deceased). Jonas Venture, Sr-presumably middle aged, probably on the younger side though considering how fit he looked (when deceased). Pete White-presumably 44. The Monarch-presumably 44. Phantom Limb-presumably 44. He wanted to be like 'all the cool kids' at college, so he had to go to 'Super Crazy No-Way School' with the rest. Which meant Billy did, too! Yay! Master Billy Quizboy-33. Maybe his hydrocephalus and stunted growth helps him look older. Rest of Team Venture-presumably 60s. You can still be active but clearly a geezer at that age, and fits in with the mid-60s to early 80s timeframe of their original adventures. Hank Venture-16. Older twin by four minutes. Dean Venture-16. Triana Orpheus-17. Prof. Impossible-perhaps 50s? He looks to be in his late 20s in the Goliath Serum tape in "Ice Station - Impossible!" but that's pure speculation. I'd assume in his 30s when he taught Dr. Venture. So just add on 20 years... Sally Impossible-presumably around the same age as Dr. Venture. She's based on Sue Storm/Invisible Woman, who was traditionally a good deal younger than Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic. Dr. Orpheus-???


 * Ok a few notes on that:
 * 1) It was never stated that May 4th was Dr. Venture's birthday. What was said was "May 4th, of your 44th year."
 * 2) The Boba Fett poster in Past Tense was in the current day scene in the dorm room, not in the flashbacks.
 * 3) Of note, Jonas Venture has been said to have died "20 years ago" in a few episodes, mainly Powerless in the Face of Death.
 * 4) Also this would made Hector 25 when JV died.
 * 5) Dr. Venture has known Master Billy Quizboy for 20 years as said in Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean


 * Good findings, by the way! -th1rt3en 05:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks!


 * 1. My bad, I'll fix it up.
 * 2. I thought Boba Fett was in the past as well? I may be remembering wrong, though.
 * 3. That'd make Dr. Venture 23 when he died, since I think it's only been about a month or so between "Return to Spider-Skull Island" to "Powerless in the Face of Death" (I forget where I saw/read it, but it made sense..).
 * 4. Oooh, thanks.
 * 5. Well, it is heavily implied Billy knew Dr. Venture way back then. -Umbric Man 2:07 A.M. August 26th 2006


 * It was 3 months between season 1 and season 2, and probably a bit more between Powerless in the Face of Death and Hate Floats. As for Billy, this would mean that Doc met him around the age of 14 (doc being 24), some time around the death of Jonas Venture, Sr. -th1rt3en 06:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Good point, again. Why does Dr. V age a year when meeting Billy, though?


 * I have to assume Dr. V never left any father than 24 for his college years. 23, max-he's 43 during most of season 1 and as I said, "Past Tense" takes place 20 years later. Furthermore, 44-21=23, and Brock's freshman-ness compared to Dr. V (who HAS to be a senior considering his age) means he's 19 when he's entering college and then the OSI-and remember that each season spans roughly a year or so. Does that sound right for that pivotal year? 23 for Dr. V and 19 for Brock, Brock leaving for the OSI in 1982, Jonas dying that year? -Umbric Man 2:40 A.M. August 26th 2006


 * That sounds pretty good. I bet if the creators saw us talking about this, they'd be amazed how deep we're going into things :P -th1rt3en 17:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks again, heh. Mweh, I was bored and deduced this in minutes, it's just trying to fit in some slight inaccuracies that killed me and got me all obsessive. I ended back up where I started.


 * Y'know, I hope some rough passage of time goes on for the show, though. That'd be pretty cool. -Umbric Man 2:35 P.M. August 26th 2006

At the end of the latest episode Hank and Deans mom (Who had kidnapped them) said they were 19. Verwirrung 04:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes
Distressed that there was only one VB-related userbox that I knew of, I made some more.

Help yourself. Enjoy! -DynSkeet (Talk) 18:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Awseome! -th1rt3en 19:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * So I'll be spamming up my userpage with these boxes now, wonderful. ;P -Umbric Man 12:37 A.M. 27th August 2006


 * Beautiful. I've been using the Blossom quote as my E-mail signature, and now I get to use it on my personal Wiki page, too! --M.Neko 22:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)