Talk:The Wack Pack/Archive 1

Underdog Lady
Why is she listed as a former member? She still makes appearances... —Preceding unsigned comment added by A2-computist (talk • contribs)


 * She's made one appearance in the last year after many years of no appearances. I think she needs to be on more.  --Bark 02:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. --A2-computist

raymond norman
i added raymond norman SalTheButcher 08:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Crackhead Bob
Crackhead Bob redirects here. According to the Howard Stern article, he is "angry" and no longer appears on the show. Anyone know why? --Feitclub 04:50, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)


 * He has appeared on the show since, in the weeks ahead of the last WXRK broadcast. Apparently, family pressure has something to do with his disappearance.

Also, what's up with Slow Adam? I think I heard something about how he's at a home for retards and the people won't let him appear.

Changed the reference to "marijuana addiction," as marijuana, while it can be habitual, is not addictive.

Septegram 21:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Elton John
"he won the Playboy Playmate version of The Homeless Game on the same day Elton John called in to the show" This sentence doesn't make sense to someone who doesn't watch the show. --Gbleem 05:53, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Gay Ramon
Per the article: "In 1998, he won an Xbox in a contest after Mr. T admitted he was afraid to arm-wrestle Gay Ramon."

The Xbox wasn't released until late in 2001. How the heck did this guy win an Xbox THREE YEARS before its North American release? I'm changing to a more generic "won a contest" with no prize listed until something resembling accurate info can be obtained. BinaryTed 21:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * According to Mark's Friggin', the Mr. T arm-wrestling incident happened on November 15, 2001, did involve an Xbox for a prize, and Mr. T refused (I highly doubt he said he was "afraid") to arm wrestle anyone. However, this account does not state who the three potential contestants were or whether an Xbox was actually given to any of them. DHowell 21:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Quote from Howard - "Would you say that you're afraid to wrestle Gay Ramon?" Mr. T - "Yeah, I won't do it." (source: MP3 recording of show, readily available on the Internet). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.138.194.68 (talk • contribs)


 * I second that quote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.138.194.68 (talk • contribs)


 * I was listening that day, Mr. T refused to arm-wrestle that guy, it was funny. Why is this page still disputed? Spazm 16:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * There were three contestants, according to Mark's Friggin'. Why was the Xbox specifically given to Gay Ramone? Or was one given to all three? (By the way, I don't believe 4-year-old recordings of Howard Stern shows are "readily" available on the Internet...) DHowell 02:07, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Then you haven't looked - they are. Snarfies 11:13, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * why was the arm wresting section removed?...from MarksFriggin "Howard then moved on to the arm wrestling thing. He told Mr. T he was going to bring in three guys who wanted to arm wrestle him for a new Xbox video game console. Mr. T then said that he wasn't going to arm wrestle anyone. He said he doesn't have anything to prove and he doesn't do that. Howard brought the three guys in anyway and told them he'd try to get them each an Xbox. Gary came in and said that Mr. T's agent knew about this arm wrestling thing and the agent claims that Mr. T knew about it. Mr. T said he really didn't know and he wouldn't have agreed to do it anyway. Once again there was a big argument about the whole thing. Some of the guys that came down said that Mr. T was a chump for backing out of this. He insisted that he would never do this unless it was for charity or something. Howard then wrapped up the interview and gave out Mr. T's plugs. Mr. T was promoting 1-800-COLLECT and Conair products that can be purchased on Conair.com. He's also got a Mr. T Wacky Wobble doll out. It's one of those dolls where the head bobs around uncontrollably. Veronica got to ring the bell they had set up just one time as Howard ended the segment." Spazm 16:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Wack Packer question
What was the name of the woman who used to claim that Ronald Reagan stole her architecture? She appeared on one of the two Howard Stern editions of Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher. -- Gerkinstock 19:33, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

That would be Croix.

for someone who knows the wack pack
how about seperating members into past and present? --Phil 05:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)--Phil 05:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't know much about older wack packers and don't know if they should be considered "past" or "present". also, can someone get rid of the pov? --Phil 12:10, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

NPOV
I am removing the NPOV because the paragraphs in the article that caused the NPOV to be added have been removed. Redd Dragon 22:06, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Joey Boots
Please do not remove facts. Thund3rl1p5 17:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed Joey Boots due to the fact that the show is unsure if he is a wack packer or not. So I moved him to Stern Fan Network and added him to the list of Regulars on Howard Stern. Redd Dragon 22:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Please re-add Joey Boots, I would say he IS a wack packer due to the fact that he is in the "wack pack revelations" segment of the show. I was just about to add his revelation just now but then I couldn't find him.Spazm 22:25, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I re-added him, but I left out parts that were included on Stern Fan Network. I also removed parts that were on Stern Fan Network so that both articles would focus on the topic. Redd Dragon 22:30, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

OK- I just added Joeys wack pack revelation.Spazm 22:36, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Evil Dave
Removed - I do not think that Evil Dave qualifys as a "wack pack" member - he appears as a character not as himself and I have never heard him call in randomly, like a real wack-packer. Schnu 18:45, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I see your point, yet at the same time i think he may belong on this page. The show seems to have a pretty loose definition of who is in the wack pack. Where can evil dave be found now then if not on this page? Spazm 19:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Evil Dave is on the regular bits section on the Howard Stern page Schnu 15:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Fake Arnold
I don't think that Fake Arnold is a Wack Packer either. He's a professional comedian/impersonator. I've heard him on other shows. I moved him to his own article. Foday 06:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Hank
I merged Hank with the Henry Nasiff article, as has been suggested. Foday 06:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I put the article under Hank the Angry Drunken Dwarf, as that's how he's known.Foday 07:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Can someone explain why Wack Packers usually can't have their own pages?
I'm curious. I don't think the argument that they're not notable outside the show is good enough. I've seen minor cartoon characters, video game characters, songs, etc. with their own articles. If the Wack Pack page was 500 pages long could they get their own articles? Foday 08:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I gave Riley Martin his own page
I think he's fascinating and more than the average Wack Packer. Foday 08:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I moved the info from this page to the Beetlejuice page.
Foday 08:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I requested this page be semi-protected
As there has been a lot of vandalism lately. Please discuss it here if you'd like. If you're unregistered, and have a legitimate edit, it's very easy to register. Foday 07:56, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Eric the Bodybuilder
Dear sirs, I have noticed that in the Eric the Midget entry baloon and baloon bou are listed as his possible nicknames, though those have been used once or twice up to this date. I believe within the last month during one of his arguments about the term midget Artie suggested that he be also reffered to as "Eric the Bodybuilder." I believe the joke went by unnoticed. It was drowned in the sea of satire, yet may I ask whether it has the same merit as the nickname Balloon Boy, which too was used once? I.e. can that be added to the list as well, or is it too trivial? thank u (Esce 05:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC))
 * I left the few main nicknames at the top and added a new section at the bottom for the minor nicknames, including "Eric the Bodybuilder". Foday 07:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Zolar
I'm friends with Zolar and I see that he isn't on the list, so you might want to add him.

Here is Zolar's website: http://www.zolar.com

Here is Zolar's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zolar_

Here is an online article from 2002 about Zolar: http://www.deansplanet.com/doc_zolar.html

Here is what marksfriggin.com has written about Zolar:

http://www.marksfriggin.com/whos_who.htm

Zolar

Frequent caller to the show including a female voice he uses to lure guests and other freaky callers into an unforseen attack. Went on a date with lesbian sisters. Seen at the Cabbie vs. Angry Black fight yelling at John the Stutterer. Seen on every show shot in Las Vegas. Sniffer of Kid Rock's Pam scented fingers.


 * I added him. Feel free to expand on it. Foday 08:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Gary the Retard
Esteemed colleagues, the entry says that Gary resides with his mother, but isn't it in fact true that he makes his domicile in a rented appartment, as evidenced by the time when himself and his alleged girl-friend had called in. Thank you (64.222.191.10 16:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Ok, I took out the part about living with his mother and changed it to lives in Oregon, as that's established. Foday 07:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Miss Howard Stern
I've edited the IQ portion in the main article. IQ tests have 100 as the average score and a standard deviation of 15 points. Consequently, IQ scores between 85 to 115 are average scores. If Miss Howard Stern scored 88, she scored average. Mental retardation begins at 70, which is a full two standard deviations from average. From Wikipedia's IQ page:

"Roughly 68% of the population has an IQ between 85 and 115. The "normal" range, or range between −2 and +2 standard deviations from the mean, is between 70 and 130, and contains about 95% of the population. An accurate score below 70 may indicate mental retardation, and a score above 130 may indicate intellectual giftedness."

Therefore, saying Miss Howard Stern scored "just above the retarded level" is misleading and inaccurate. She might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but let's give credit where credit is due. Bark 14:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I added that she is perceived as having low intelligence, which I think is fair, and put that her daughter is "biracial". Foday 07:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. I agree.  Bark 13:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded a pic of 'Miss Howard Stern' Andrea, I made a separate page for Andrea Brooke Ownbey with lots of new info, and I put a link to it on the Wack Pack page.

--Bobthorney 22:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey Bob, quit deleting my items and Foday's items in "Miss Howard Stern". This is a talk page.  It's not the main article.  There's no reason for this.  Can't we all just get along?  Bark 13:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Irish John
I added Irish John. If anyone has legit, NPOV info, please expand his section. It's fine to talk about feuds with other Wack Packers, but keep it NPOV and please don't vandalize the article. Foday 08:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * He is not a wack packer. Name one thing wacky about him or one thing wacky he did for the show. Redd Dragon 15:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, he's probably a "Wack Poseur". Foday 00:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

http://www.myspace.com/irishjohn831

I added Sal and Richard to former members
with links to their articles as they were "Wack Packers" before they were promoted. Foday 09:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Wack Packers
This article seriously needs to be cleaned up. Just because a person is a regular on the show does not make them a wack packer. Just because the person calls in a bunch of times also does not make them a wack packer. Redd Dragon 15:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * One more thing... Having a title for a name does NOT make you a Wack Packer. All of the people I removed were not named on the show. They gave themselves names and they are all phone callers. They aren't even that regular. They call in once or twice a month and some of them hardly do that. If you want to start a regular phone callers of the Howard Stern Show go ahead. They don’t belong in this article, however. Redd Dragon 15:23, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

First Appearances
Could it be possible that for each entry there was a first appearance column. I suppose for now not all of the info would be available, but as Howard will start playing the old tapes these gaps can be filled.
 * For now, that's a tall order. Foday 00:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Any reason not to create individual pages for notable Wack Packers?
Just thought I'd say something here before doing it. It seems that in the past there was resistance to Wack Packers having their own pages, but it seems like the logical step at this point. Foday 12:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm for it.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 07:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Yaqi
I just added some info about Yaqi the Tickler. I would LOVE to include a quote or two from Yaqi... specifically, the ones about the desire to "elicit laughter" and, of course, "who hasn't held a small child or an infant in their arms..." Unfortunately, I can't find a verbatim source for these quotes at the moment.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 08:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

"God Hates Fags" lady
Is Shirley from God Hates Fags a member of the Wack Pack? She is a very frequent guest, and is certainly "wacky" enough. She has even participated in events such as Hollyweird Squares and Freaky Feud. I would like to add her, but I'm concerned that this article is getting way too long. Any thoughts?--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 10:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think she qualifies. She may have been on once or twice, but I think she would have to be more involved with the show.  She is a nut, IMO, and she's pushing an agenda trying to get attention, which is why she even shows up or calls once in a while, but she doesn't seem devoted to the show like a typical Wack Packer.  --Bark 14:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * She's only a part of the Westboro Baptist Church and not the wack pack right? Kether83 17:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * She and her lunatic kids did take part in the Wack Pack Family Feud (they played against a group of gays) when the show went to Vegas in '06. I don't know if that's enough to qualify her.  Howard loves to call her a nutcase, etc. every time she calls in... A2-computist 14:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Mark Harris
Is Mark Harris in the Wack Pack? Just asking. Foday 13:16, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, perhaps he's a former member. He hasn't been on in a long time, if I'm not mistaken.  --Bark 19:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Gee, I guess THAT'S why they have replays. LOL.  Still, as strange as this may sound, I think Mark Harris is too normal to be a wack pack member.    --Bark 19:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Jeff the Drunk
The Jeff the drunk section is getting pretty big, maybe he should get his own page? --Spazm 13:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you could trim the section down. I don't think he would qualify as being notable enough for his own page?  --Bill.matthews 19:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

How is the Wack Pack not notable?
"Wack Pack" (in quotes) came up with 31,400 results on Google. If you don't care about the Wack Pack, read some other article. :P Foday 05:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Looking at the users edits [1] I think it is clear that they are an "opie and anthony" fan trying to cause some sort of damage to this howard stern related article, I removed the tag. Foday said it, go read about opie and anthony if thats your thing, but the wack pack is very notable Spazm 01:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The Wack Pack are a key component of what is perhaps the most popular radio show in history--something akin, roughly, to a Klingons article or Starfleet article, which are about key components of a very popular television show. I'm not defending the article itself (which could be infinitely improved), but I'm defending its existence. --The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 13:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * To defend myself, I'm an O&A fan, as well as Stern, Imus, and a lot of other talk radio. Regarding this article, I don't believe I ever damaged it, or said it should be deleted.  Instead, I am pointing out that we need to cite Reliable sources.  We all listen to stern and know the Wack Pack.  But we need to establish notability to people who may not listen to stern.  --Bill.matthews 14:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Notability (people)

This article is notable, as it passes:
 * The person (people) made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field. (History of Howard Stern Show)
 * Notable actors and television personalities who have appeared in well-known films or television productions. Notability can be determined by:
 * A large fan base, fan listing or "cult" following.

As you say here and here, you are not "supporting deletion, or merging. The article (Eric the Midget) should stay." You also stated you don't believe this article should be deleted either. As such, the tag you implemented at these various locations is incorrect.

Citing reliable sources is needed, and a tag for that is currently in place for the article in question. The Notability tag is a precursor for deletion or merging, and you have stated that is not your aim or intention. I do encourage others to cite sources and improve this article. --Bark 15:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I restored content to Elliot Offen
I missed it when his page was deleted. WTF? Why don't you Wack Pack haters go edit an article on something important like a Star Wars character that has never been in a movie. Foday 06:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha, thats so funny, there are hundreds of pages of star wars stuff that isnt even included in the films. The starwars pages are some of the most unsourced pages on wikipedia. Aspensti 22:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Johhny Fratto
Curious to see who thinks Johnny Fratto would make a good wack packer? He talks weird, hes a frequent caller. Just interisted in opinons. Aspensti 23:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)