Talk:The Wallflower (manga)

Character Info
I removed the list of character info, as there is a link to some very detailed synopses. I did add the minor characters to the 2ndary character link.Tokyogirl79 05:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)Tokyogirl79

"Unexpectedly, she is intelligent, talented in numerous areas, particularly cooking, and is an exceptionally strong fighter." Unexpectedly? The word is very opinionated, and not everyone shares the belief that those things were unexpected.

Readded Link to episodes
I think someone accidentally removed it, possibly thinking that it is for a seperate show due to the different title. I put it back in the article & added the bit about the Japanese name. Tokyogirl79 10:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)Tokyogirl79

Removal of Internet Spreading
I removed it since it has no impact on the production of the anime. I can't really think of a noteworthy way to mention that the series is being fansubbed. Also, the mention of the scanlations definately needed to be removed, since the series is available commercially. Neither part really is worth mention in the article, and belongs more on a private page than on an encyclopedia entry. Tokyogirl79 08:32, 1 January 2007 (UTC)Tokyogirl79

Misc
This is a very amazing story!! I like Sunako so much.. even though she's being forced by the others for becoming a lady, she still becomes herself. but i do hope that she will realise that she is actually beautiful..

The Four Patience Guys
I do agree sunako is beautiful, Noi even told that earlier to her. but i do hope sunako will actually realize how much the four of them really cares for her. at least appreciate the love by those four. It's been like four big bro taking care of a little sister. she should be thankful to be gifted with such patience guys taking care of her, full with love and concentration..

Good news; this manga has been turned into an anime. 2 Episodes so far, named Yamato Nadeshiko Shichi Henge, which began it's run about 2 weeks ago.--Delta Green 17:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Anti-Heroine
You've got to love a manga where the leading "ugly/normal" girl actually is ugly to start off with. Question---is anyone willing to do summaries for the anime episodes? I'm willing to do it, but it takes time to do the summaries, and if they're too long/detailed, then they'll be deleted.
 * It's certainly doable, but it is not very easy to do-- especially when the information is not readily available to most of the English-speaking viewers (as far as I know it hasn't been licensed outside of Japan--yet). It will take some time to do every episode should we choose to do so. - Penwhale | Blast the Penwhale 05:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been getting most of the summaries from fansubs at the moment. It just takes a while, since I have to pause the video in order to catch up with my summary. Tokyogirl79 05:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)Tokyogirl79

Edited
I edited the main title as the original title should be "Yamato Nadeshiko Shichi Henge" instead of the original wiki text "transalted in japanese as Yamato Nadeshiko Shichi Henge". This is due to the respect for the origin of this work.

Other updates:

1. Full name of characters have been included.

2. Opening theme is part of the music, and likewise opening and closing sequence of the anime is related to the sub topic. Hence, it is better to place them under 'Music' than 'Trivia'

3. Updated the trivia section with connections of characters' names and references. Links within wiki not completed yet.

Lastly it is better that this page is renamed as Yamato Nadeshiko Shichi Henge instead of 'The Wallflower'. Not sure where I could do that but will be happy if someone can enlighten me on this.

Thank you

Egnimaspiritia 10:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that the page should be called Yamato Nadeshiko Shichi Henge but the Use English part of wikipedia policy and the fact that the manga is licensed in English means that we're stuck with the Wallflower, even though the anime isn't called that. Not much we can do about it, sorry, that's just the way wikipedia is. If the page was split it would be a different story. --Squilibob 10:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Possible Spoiler
I am not familiar with either the manga or anime series. When reading the Plot section of the article, I came upon the following (emphasis mine):
 * Up until the most recent release in the story, they've managed to convince Sunako's aunt that her niece is indeed a lady befitting the mansion in which they live (and prevent the rent from skyrocketing to triple the required amount). However, in reality, Sunako has not changed considerably.

If this is a significant plot twist, it may require a Spoiler Alert for future readers. Ireid23 20:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:SPOILER - we don't add spoiler alerts in Plot and Character sections: it's a plot section, so you're bound to read about the plot. (P.S. please add new topics to the bottom of talk pages, easier to find for other editors) Ninja neko 06:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that all episodic articles that have been tagged for merge with this article be incorporated into a section on episodes along with any relevant sources that could further the development of this article (that is, The Wallflower (manga)). As the individual articles are nothing more than plot summaries which hinge on WP:NOR by nature, and could easily serve the same purpose they do now in a more succinct form on this page, I don't see any reason why this shouldn't occur.-Thatotherguy21 (talk) 03:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Instead of merging them here, they should go in List of The Wallflower episodes Ninja neko (talk) 14:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * For-Thatotherguy21 (talk) 02:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * For, but merge to List of The Wallflower episodes, not here. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:51, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The ArbCom injunction is now over, so do we have consensus for the merge of those episodes to the list, or should we revisit the discussion? AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No objections after over a month. The merge has been completed, along with a general clean up of the episode list's formatting. Now it just needs referencing and a proper lead. AnmaFinotera (talk) 19:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Themes
I've removed this section of the article as it appears to be completely OR and lacking in sources. I've included it here to give folks a chance to redo in a more neutral manner, and search for sources. As a note, the manga and anime itself is not a valid source for thematic exploration, rather quality third party sources are needed that discuss the themes. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Themes


 * Underneath the comedic demeanor The Wallflower has many reoccurring themes that appear throughout the series.


 * Self-Acceptance
 * One such theme is that of self-acceptance, and can be witnessed often through the main character, Sunako. She often portrays both sides of the spectrum, with one side being her refusing to compromise her character (giving up her morbid lifestyle). On her flip side of self-acceptance, it is often shown that she doubts herself almost constantly, and usually refuses to see herself as a suitable companion for "those creatures of the light". As the series progresses you can see her confidence build up as she discovers that she can bridge both worlds.


 * Beauty
 * Another theme that seems to dominate the manga is beauty, or the pursuit of it. The boys are offered free rent if they can change Sunako into society's (as well as the landlady's) concept of a beautiful lady. However, Sunako often rebuffs the boys' attempts at changing her, since she had long since abandoned her feminity, as well as that becoming a lady would mean that she would have to give up her morbid hobbies. One of the facets of this theme is the cast's realization that being beautiful doesn't mean following society's standards. Another facet would be the "ugly" side of beauty, in that many of the boys are often stalked by both men and women alike because of their good looks. While many of his roommates will like, or be tolerant of this attention, Kyouhei often complains of this treatment (he complains in one episode of the anime that he can't even hold a job because of this). One other point to this theme is the idea of natural and artificial beauty. Sunako often complains that she wasn't born as a "creature of the light", while the boys were born beautiful.

Chapter list
(moved from Talk:List of The Wallflower episodes) The manga chapters have no place in a 'list of episodes' article. They're pasted below so the info can still easily be retrieved to be put in another article if needed. (For instance a 'list of media' could incorporate the manga chapters.) Ninja neko (talk) 14:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

~remove list now that chapter list is made~

I've moved this here to give it more exposure so hopefully someone will take the initiative to create a List of The Wallflower chapters. See Graphic novel list for formatting, and some current chapter FAs for ideas on content, if needed. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

You can go to mangafox or onemanga to figure out the name of the chapters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.25.12 (talk) 23:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * 68- Dancing steps to lady achivement
 * 69- The blues of the unbeatable one
 * 70- The Dreams they both shared
 * 71- Won't lose to poverty and society
 * 72- Takenaga's Honor
 * 73- Love, Love Revolution
 * 74- That's the Dreamy 1st love
 * 75- Lightness and Darkness collide —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.25.12 (talk) 23:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't sign in. Mooncrest (talk) 19:01, 9 August 2008 (UTC) Here ya go. Mooncrest (talk) 19:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 76- love is a Mirage
 * 77- The way to become a domestic man
 * 78- The tale of the prince and the princess

Headers
I've removed the redundant production and reception headers as it just made the place untidy to have headers with no content except a expansion request template. I've left the manga one as it does hold the list of chapters, but it really needs adding to. I'm not familiar with the manga (just here to add a category and fix a broken template I spotted) so I'll leave that to someone else Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

yamato nadeshiko
we love yamato nadeshiko so much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.147.1.5 (talk) 01:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Review
vol. 12 --Gabriel Yuji (talk) 21:23, 5 May 2012 (UTC)