Talk:The Want (DC band)

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This page needs a complete revision to provide information about the original Washington DC-based band known as The Want.

- The Want (DC) released their first CD prior to New Jersey band who used the same name.

- The Want (DC) has not disbanded as indicated on their web site at www.thewant.com.

- The members of The Want (DC) own the registered trademark for the band name "The Want."

I propose the page be revised and dedicated to The Want of Washington, DC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by R0ckdanation (talk • contribs) 10:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If you want to make a page dedicated to the DC want than just make a page like The Want (DC band) or The Want (Indie band). ollïegrïnd  11:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You may also want to check Notability (music). The NJ Want meets this criteria by having released an album on a major Indie label (Southern Lord). I am not familiar with the DC Want but they may not meet Wikipedia's notability standards. ollïegrïnd  11:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Seeking Consensus: The Want (Washington DC) Should be the Subject of this Article
I reviewed (1) the Notability (music) page, (2) the All Music Guide (Wiki Notability page lists this as a "good online source" for music), and (3) various publicly available information sources including Trademark records (www.uspto.gov) and "non-trivial published works" cited below,.

The information below supports the case for a re-write of the article to focus on the Washington DC area band "The Want."

The issue of "Notability"

 * The Want (DC) easily meets Wiki Notability (music) criterion 1 being the "subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable" including articles in the Washington Post, Washington City Paper, Music Monthly, and other on-line (e.g., All Music Guide) and hard copy publications.
 * The NJ band does not meet criterion 5 ("Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels"). They have released only one album (a "greatest hits" of mostly pre-existing material) on Southern Lord Records.

Thus, by the listed criteria in the Wiki consensus guideline for "notability," The Want (DC) meet the criteria, and it is uncertain if the NJ band does.

The All Music Guide Biography for The Want
The Wiki Notability (music) page "Resources" section identifies "one good online source" as the All Music Guide. The Want's biography by Steve Huey in this "good online resource" clearly identifies The Want as being from Washington, D.C.

First-Use of the Band Name and Trademark/Service Mark Ownership

 * The Want (DC) first used the name The Want in 1990, began playing live shows in 1994, and released a nationally-distributed CD in 1995 prior to the 1996 release from the NJ, and well before the NJ band's 2000 release from Southern Lord Records (their only CD with national distribution).
 * The Want (DC) also own the Federally registered trademark/service mark for the band name "The Want" (www.uspto.gov, Registration Nos. 2252779 and 3260543). Ownership of the name is relevant because if the Wiki page were to describe another band using the name The Want, this would cause confusion to the readers.  For example, if you wrote a Wiki article entitled "McDonald's®", it would focus on the company that owns the name, not some unrelated restraurant that once used the name.

Revised Text for "The Want" Article
In a good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, reach consensus on content, and do so with verifiable information, I offer the following new text to replace the existing article. Note that the proposed page text below includes a section which provides a reference to the NJ band and Southern Lord Records. If there is a need for an article about the NJ band, then I suggest someone start a page dedicated to the NJ band like The Want (NJ band)


 * R0ckdanation 21:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * moved suggested text to The Want (DC band) ollïegrïnd  13:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Make an Article!
Dude, I'm not saying the DC band does not warrant a page. If you think they should have a page then make one! I am not stopping you - but don't destroy this page in the process. Both articles can coexist. If you want you can make this page point to the disambiguation page (want (disambiguation)) and have the DC band at The Want (DC band) and the NJ band at The Want (NJ band). I really don't care but please do not destroy the article for the NJ want (although moving it is OK). ollïegrïnd 04:49, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I just went ahead and did this. There is no reason why both articles can't coexist. This page now redirects to want (disambiguation) which has a note about both bands. Each bands page has a disambiguation tag at the top which refers to the other band. I went through the 'what links here' page and all the links are about the NJ Want. The DC Want page is stranded so you might want to check if any other pages should link to it. ollïegrïnd  13:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Label?
Is the band on Selling the Ranch or on Orchard? The bio says Selling the Ranch but the discography says Orchard. BeastmasterGeneral 19:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)