Talk:The Western Air Temple

Next Episode was just released Today
according to a friend in canada, the next episode will be (firebending master - Dragon of the west) she says iroh returns and aang, iroh and Zuko are firebending. So should we start the page for it ????? --Master_Hio_Cin (talk) 17:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Officially Aired
The Western Air Temple broadcast in Canada last Night. Can we unprotect this and make the page please? RMS Oceanic (talk) 08:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * When does it air in america or England? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.144.12 (talk) 13:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, it already aired. Arogi Ho (talk) 13:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, it already aired in Canada (anything else and the page deserves a  ).  UTSRelativity (talk) 18:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, it aired in Canada on December 14, 2007 on YTV.--46thEarthKing (talk) 21:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Moved. --Kizor (talk) 22:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Changes made
Rumors have been told that Nickelodeon edited out scenes in this episode because is was too graphic and violent, is this true?

I don't know, But I think it was fine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiimanwii1 (talk • contribs) 04:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

well, IF- that is true, it was most probably the scene of Combustion man falling down, in which they ---might--- have made it less graphic, but this is a conjecture from my part --Verdad1963 (talk) 09:58, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

That is not true, some people said that because my fake spoilers... but actually the two "graphic" scenes I invented become true: Toph was wounded by fire and the enemy (in this case was Combustion Man, not Azula as I said) fell to the abyss...--Otakusama (talk) 21:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

sereies continuty
we shouldn't mention the mischiefs that the gang mentions about Zuko? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.152.83.229 (talk) 00:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

one more thing. Zuko said that he spent the past "few years" chasing them. but it should only be a year. book 1 winter solstice and ruko said he had until summer's end to defeat the fire lord. at the battle of the north pole it should be around late winter. book 2 was around spring considering there was an episode where appa shed his fur. and now book 3 is the beginning of summer. so yeah just thought i nic pick at that. Also makes you wonder why Toph didn't say he was telling the truth when he was talking.J1j2j3 (talk) 03:13, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

-Actually, Aang may have been released from the iceberg one year ago, but remember, Zuko was banished three years ago, as stated in Book 2 Chapter 1. So he's has three years to agonize over this.--76.91.228.143 (talk) 21:56, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Sigh...he'd been looking for the Avatar for at least a few years before the start of the series. It's no goof. 72.67.173.76 (talk) 04:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Toph might have been trying to remember if in the past she had sensed Zuko lie, even thought she has never talked directly to him until this episode, as she might be apprehensive about her experience with Azula --Verdad1963 (talk) 10:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

do we really need this section? it's not like people following the show would forget about them? J1j2j3 (talk) 03:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that the indirect references should be noted, but not all of the crap that normally gets thrown in there.  Rau   J16  03:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

OVERWRITTEN
This page needs serious cleanup, i mean SERIOUS cleanup. im going to work on it, but some help would be greatly appreciated.  Rau   J16  03:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I cleaned up everything I could, including the episode's info in Zuko's page and other character pages that people were spamming. I swear, people need to learn grammar. User:Femhouz''' 011:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * They also need to elarn how to remove unnecessary information, i swear the plot before i began was 1,130 words, after i was done it was not much more than 600. But its still not done.  Rau   J16  04:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Blow-by-blow descriptions are common with fiction articles in their early stages; they are likely to become more concise after cooling down and becoming better established. This one is just a few days old, so it's not a big deal, but thank you for your efforts. --Kizor (talk) 01:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Some of the guests who've editted this page have atrocious grammar. I originally wrote the plot summary (moderately concise), and it's been gutted so bad.  I mean, do we really need a huge description of the fight with Combustion Man when 3x10 and 3x11 are 100% battle and comparatively miniscule?  The plot is now extremely wordy and reads very awkward.  Hopefully random edits die down and this thing can be adequately fixed. TastesLikeLove (talk) 10:35, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is many things, but it's not efficient. Sorry about that. I'll take a look at later today, but random edits will indeed die down shortly enough. Those are an initial thing. --Kizor is in a constant state of flux 02:11, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * As you can see in my edit summaries, I got it down to 517 words. And I think I left enough in for it to still be comprehensible, and sufficient for it to last.  Rau   J16  07:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Usage of "Silver Platter"
The term "On a silver platter" is a biblical term, originating from how a certian queen wanted to see John the Babptist's head. Toph used the term, but since the avatar has no bible, I'd call this a goof. Should we add that in triva? Or is Wikipedia too triva-happy already? 71.111.76.124 (talk) 05:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Too trivial.  Rau   J16  05:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

-Well, there have been biblical allusions in past episodes, mostly paralleling Aang and Jesus. Maybe this is one doing the same for Zuko and John. Ominous.--76.91.228.143 (talk) 21:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This could be compared to Azula's usage of the French word "coup", despite France clearly not existing in the Avatar world. ShadowUltra (talk) 01:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that the whole show is "translated," in the same way that Tolkien's works are all "translations" of the Red Book of Westmarch. (See, especially, the note on the etymology of the name "Gandalf.") Not only is this trivial, but I wouldn't even call it an accurate observation. Sorry. 76.116.150.180 (talk) 05:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

It can't really be counted as a goof. It was included intentionally because its an expression the audience is familiar with. The origin of our version of the expression is irrelevant because its use could easily be explained by some in universe origin of their version of the expression. 65.213.142.2 (talk) 15:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

New Creature
That creature that Zuko's talking with. What is it? A Frog, clearly, and some mammal. Badger? A Badger-Frog?--76.91.228.143 (talk) 21:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought it was a bull-frog.....  Rau   J16  18:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Goof
Watch closely during the battle with Combustion Man. After Sokka successfully hits him with the Boomerang, we can clearly see Toph running of her own mobility, even though her feet are still burned. Oops.--76.91.228.143 (talk) 04:40, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So, goofs are trivial, and are not very encyclopedic. it should stay out of the article.  Rau   J16  04:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * They made it into the article in City of Walls and Secrets.--76.91.228.143 (talk) 08:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So. one page does not dictate the content of another. Rau   J16  18:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

is not big deal, plus it can be explained, she was well enough after katara healed her so that she could walk short distances, but not 100%

the "real goof" was the "katara" closing the door at the end, when in the earlier scene with Zuko and Sokka, there was never any door shown either outside of the room, or inside it

and as the "footnotes" section was taken out, that info becomes irrelevant to this article --Verdad1963 (talk) 08:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Continuity Notes No More
A single editor has gone to pretty much every episode page and deleted all of the continuity notes, normally stating that it is "Trivial." And while it may or may not have been, I am not sure that a consensus was reached on this. Personally, I believe that the notes were useful to readers of the page, providing them with information and insights that they may not have known. Ub3rn008 (talk) 10:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * They were just fancy trivia, not even real production notes, just links to past episodes that are all to clear to any person who watches the show, who happen to be the only people who come to these pages. And a consensus was reached that trivia try to be integrated to the article, but that made the plot to drawn out and harder to read, so i deleted them. See WP:TRIVIA for more.  Rau   J16  18:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Why are they being removed?
Why are all the episodes being removed? --Nemodi (talk) 20:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Short version: because consensus doesn't matter. Long version: meh, I'm too tired to bother.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

So I don't see it still.. >_<! --Nemodi (talk) 21:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Consensus is when the users reach an agreement, most of the ones i have seen have been compromises. But i was under the impression that, because of the contribution style, consensus should override policy. Nothing is infallible. Rau   J16  23:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

what was the consenus? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemodi (talk • contribs)

One, dont sign other peoples names in place you your own, it will cause people to not like you so much, and then not so eager to help if you need it. Two, i believe the consensus(if there was one) is clear, merge. Rau  J16  00:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but what I am asking is why did they decide to merge it? --Nemodi (talk • contribs) 02:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah and if someone wants to access them now how can they go about it....

any help on the matter will be really helpful.

tejas (talk) 06:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Its closed(if im not mistaken), but if you want i guess you could take it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Avatar: The Last Airbender. And they were merged because they did not meet WP:EPISODE(again if im not mistaken). Rau  J16  07:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll say the same things I've been saying elsewhere: I agree we should be able to have those articles, I really do. I hate that this has happened. But, there's nothing we can do about it. This isn't the first show they've done this to, and it won't be the last. Complaining or trying to reverse it is just a waste of time and effort that could be better spent on other pursuits. My best advice is to just try and get these season articles up to snuff. The whole thing stinks, but something is still better than nothing.

As a side note, if you want to view the page histories, you can still do that. Just go to the page for the episode you want. You'll should be redirected to the section for whatever season it was in. Now, scroll to the top of the list. It should say "Redirected from ". Click that link, and you'll go to the page without being redirected. Then, just click the history tab, find a version from before they got redirected, and you can at least read it.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)