Talk:The White Swan Hotel, Greytown

Use of the definite article in the title
Kia ora, I seek your opinion about an article title. I have created this: Draft:The White Swan Hotel, Greytown. However, before I move it into main space, I need to resolve whether or not to have "The" in the title. I have found various sorts of guidance, but it is still a bit confusing. See: WP:DEFINITE, and WP:THE. Looking for precedents, I found White Swan (disambiguation), where there are several hotels where "The" is part of the article title. Similarly with: White Swan Inn. For the hotel in Greytown, the proprietors use "The" in their website url, and in their email address. Usage on their website is slightly inconsistent. The sources I have cited generally don't describe the hotel as "The White Swan" where this comes in the middle of a sentence, although I don't think this is necessarily determinative. For what it is worth, the Wikidata item that already exists is labelled The White Swan Hotel (see Q111870084). I am thinking of making the new article title just "White Swan Hotel, Greytown", but I am still unsure. What do you think ? Marshelec (talk) 21:09, 13 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Common name should apply. If it is not entirely clear, move it to whatever your gut feeling suggests. Create a redirect from the other name. Then copy this discussion onto the talk page. If someone has strong feelings, they can continue this discussion.  Schwede 66  07:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * After looking at a range of sources, including how the hotel is listed in various accommodation directories etc, I consider that on balance the article title should be "The White Swan Hotel" Marshelec (talk) 07:50, 14 June 2023 (UTC)