Talk:The Who/Archive 4

The photo in the Infobox.
In the photo in the Infobox, it says: "The Who, 1975. Left to right: Roger Daltrey (vocals), John Entwistle (bass), Keith Moon (drums), Pete Townshend (guitar)." Can someone change the title to "The Who at The Summit in Houston, Texas on November 20, 1975. Left to right: Roger Daltrey (vocals), John Entwistle (bass), Keith Moon (drums), Pete Townshend (guitar)." In, The Who are performing at the venue. Moon, Daltrey, and Townshend are wearing the same clothes, and the picture was taken in Texas. CHICHI7YT (talk) 23:34, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * YouTube has a tendency to violate copyright and / or get things wrong. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:16, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Merge
Doug Sandom should be merged here. His article has been a stub for several years, and it is difficult to find information documenting his life beyond being replaced by Keith Moon and dying on February 28, 2019. 134.154.43.187 (talk) 17:05, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge: I wouldn't consider it a "stub" personally, not even at the time you wrote your comment above.
 * It's not a huge article, but it's respectable, and large enough that it would be distracting if all the information were moved to The Who article- a good sign that it warrants keeping in its own right. Ubcule (talk) 16:41, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

"Lifehouse" and "Who Came First"
The header and other sections are incomplete/inaccurate, in that only a limited amount of "Lifehouse" was included in "Who's Next". The bulk of the content went into the excellent "Who Came First" (Townshend solo) album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigmund (talk • contribs) 19:42, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Notice of an RfC about including the word "The" in song/album article titles
Hello there! I started a discussion on the page Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Music on 7 July, and it hasn't received any responses. This RfC concerns the use of the word "The" in band names in parentheses in the titles of articles about songs and albums. Further elaboration can be found on that discussion page. I would appreciate thoughts from anyone who may be interested in the discussion. Thank you. – Matthew  - (talk) 20:50, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

"Who" last album to be released in a different date
In the section 'The Who Hits 50! and beyond', it is listed that the new studio album, Who, will be released in November, 11, 2019, but this information is incorrect. The album will actually be released in November, 22. Here are some of the sources that can prove it. https://www.loudersound.com/news/the-who-detail-new-album-launch-single-and-announce-uk-and-ireland-tour https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/the-who-to-release-new-album-who-in-november-ball-and-chain-single-available/ https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2019-09-13---new-studio-album-by-the-who-will-be-released-in-november-.rJJqLgKIS.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by RogellParadox (talk • contribs) 21:46, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

The Who UK and Ireland Tour 2020
May someone add to this article the link to the article The Who UK and Ireland Tour 2020?! Mad.acme (talk) 18:45, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Moon Taught Starkey the Drums
The page has this item in it, "Starkey had been taught to play drums by Moon..." but in the article in Modern Drummer about Starkey, linked to on the page about Starkey, he is quoted as saying the two never sat down at a drum set together. Is it possible for someone to learn the drums from a person without ever sitting down at a set with them? As a musician myself, I don't think it is. In the Modern Drummer article Starkey is asked about Moon and he says Moon gave him the drum set and they talked a lot about drumming but it does not mention anything about being taught by Moon. I think that statement should be removed from this page.

Apparently Moon's biographer claims that Moon did teach Starkey but I think he is wrong and Starkey's word on the subject should be taken on this matter.

BTW - I thought I would discuss this before changing the page because I don't want to start an editing war over it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vince Klortho (talk • contribs) 10:32, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Sign “-” in the Early career Background section
In the fifth line in the third paragraph of Early career/1964-1978/Background/History section, the sign “-” between words “The groups” and “none of whom” does not have a space before “none of the whom”.

It might be my eyes but I think that it should be corrected, even though it is a very minor, cosmetic change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Innergunner (talk • contribs) 18:22, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 January 2020
In the "Discography" section, put in The Who Sings My Generation next to My Generation and put in Happy Jack next to A Quick One, as they are alternative titles when they were originally released in the US. 24.127.236.115 (talk) 00:57, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:23, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Better Picture
New to editting Wikipedia, but not mediawiki. Is there a better picture that could be used for the image on the sidebar? One where the bassist isn't covered? I know I have seen tons of images (unsure if any are copyright friendly) where the four are all easily visible. I can look for one if that can be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bp32795 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Recent edits
I have completed 11 edits recently, and welcome scrutiny by editors who have come before me. If there are reversions, I request they be made one at a time with an explanation so we can discuss on this Talk page if needed. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 17:09, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Add subgenres
To characterize The Who as simply "rock, hard rock, power pop" is to ignore 95% of their contributions to the music scene as we know it. Both of their highest charting albums, Tommy and Quadrophenia, could be described as art rock, progressive rock, album-oriented rock, and rock opera, and their earlier works were incredibly psychedelic AND influenced by the blues, so I'd at least suggest adding psychedelic rock (early), progressive rock, art rock, blues rock, rock opera... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluco22 (talk • contribs) 03:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 March 2020
The first sentence of the second paragraph under the section "legacy and influence" makes this claim- "The group's contributions to rock include the power chord." The claim is false. The power chord was used in blues and rock long before the Who ever used it. Wikipedia's page on power chords even makes this clear. The sentence should be removed. And since this isn't propaganda from the china-centric parasitic scum that moderates wikipedia protects like the word of God. it can be removed without harming wikipedias mission to brainwash the masses with the commie stupidity you motherfuckers would be lined up against a wall and shot for in a sane society. Wokeandbroke (talk) 18:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The article cites Charles Shaar Murray in The Observer here. I trust his opinion more than some random editor with no credentials. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  19:22, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: This article is subject to Wikipedia BLP policy, and all unsourced contetious materail must be removed. The content you are requesting to be removed is not contetious and is sourced. If you believe it's poorly sourced and needs to be removed, please explain how with the source provided. PLEASE copy and paste the code to reply (Talk) 19:27, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Editing wordy sentence
In the section "First singles and My Generation," I plan to edit the sentence: "The self-titled debut album My Generation was released in late 1965." The compound word "self-titled" is wordy and inaccurate. What does "self-titled" even mean? I plan to delete that. The resulting sentence says what needs to be said: "The debut album My Generation was released in late 1965." Bookman1968 (talk) 15:09, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected
I have semi-protected this article for two weeks because of persistent disruptive editing by IPs. Although I'm a major contributor to this article, I don't consider myself WP:INVOLVED as I haven't been directly involved in the recent disruption and am convinced another admin would have done the same if asked. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  20:18, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 June 2020
The page should have a tag in it. I added such a tag to The Hu article, which points to here as well as The Guess Who, who I feel could be mistaken due to their similar names.Moline1 (talk) 18:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC) Moline1 (talk) 18:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Extended-protection-unlocked.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Darren-M   talk  20:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Done! I was able to get the change in. Hopefully that helps with confusion on people who end up here when in fact they meant to go to The Hu article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moline1 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

The Who versus the Who.
I've read the related manual of style discussion. Funnily enough, "The Who" is specifically mentioned due to its irregularity.

Where do I take this up for further discussion? Using "the Who" does make sense. The Who is The Who as much as Led Zeppelin isn't led Zeppelin.

"The Who" is their official use and trademark. Thanks. --Danny Mamby (talk) 18:04, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Danny Mamby, you might not be aware of the backstory here. There was a long and contentious dispute a few years ago over whether to use "The Beatles" or "the Beatles" mid-sentence, which got press coverage and led to some editors stopping work on Beatles articles and even leaving Wikipedia altogether. Anyway, the decision was made to go with lowercase, and this has been adopted on other articles too. It doesn't really matter to us whether the band themselves "officially" use "the" or "The" because it's a style issue, and we have our own Manual of Style, just like the AP or other organizations do. The specific section that deals with "The or the" for bands is MOS:THEMUSIC, but it's also consistent with the way it is dealt with in general on Wikipedia. We aren't forced to slavishly follow the MOS, but I don't see a compelling reason to carve out an exception for the Who.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:24, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * If you pay attention to the above, I specifically state that I had read the related discussion, pointing out the specifically mentioned reference to The Who and other exceptions and caveats.


 * The name of the band is The Who. Not Who. Not the Who. Just as much as the Pink Fairies (note, not The Pink Fairies), weren't called the pink Fairies. Or Black Sabbath black Sabbath. In the case of The Beatles, it was pointed out The Beatles were themselves inconsistent, therefore an example of "a bad case, making a bad law". That's not the case with The Who. Their official use is The Who.


 * Simple put it's plain wrong in this case, and to apply universally. Indeed, it becomes even more incoherent when applied to other bands such as The The. I can only imagine it was decided upon by people who know nothing about the subject matters and, consequently, don't see how confusing it appears.


 * If you refer to many of the sources, it actually contradicts the advice given in The Beatles decision. As in, they use The.


 * How and where do I open a case to re-examine this? --Danny Mamby (talk) 04:04, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * This will be my last response. No-one is saying that the band is called "Who". The name "the Who" and "The Who" are the same, just one is capitalized and one is not. It is a style issue. The Who do not get to decide our manual of style, we do.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:47, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

"the Who" and "The Who" are pbviously not the same and it gets worse with the The. "the Who" means Who. "The" is part of the artist chosen name. Many bands chose to omit it but, of course, it would be added in sentences for the sake of good grammar. It's just plain wrong.

If artist chosen capitalization is of no concern, why will.i.am for one of many inconsistencies?

This is a case of the Wikipedia damaging or confusing reality due to its ubiquitousness.Danny Mamby (talk) 20:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Timeline
I've taken the timeline out of the article for the minute as it needs redoing or at least discussing. The last time I brought this up was in 2017, where I said "A timeline with all the musicians, official and touring, would make more sense, certainly. Might we include session players like Nicky Hopkins and Chris Stainton who played piano in the studio? Unlike the Beatles and Stones, the Who seldom used outside musicians, preferring to just play everything themselves, so it's not a big list." The current iteration has a source that doesn't seem to meet the GA criteria, and the information in it contradicts what's in the infobox. Any other views? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Album sales
The opening summary of this article states the band has sold over 100 million records worldwide and are among the best-selling music artists of all time. The Wikipedia article on the best-selling music artists of all time, however, does not mention The Who, even in its 75-100 million categories.

I'm not qualified to say which is correct, but there's a very clear inconsistency here I hope someone can resolve. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Birnam (talk • contribs) 19:40, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The statement is referenced to The Independent, a scrupulously reliable source. The Wikipedia list you cite is not necessarily reliable, and I would pay it no mind.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 20:15, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You may wish to post your request on Talk:List of best-selling music artists, along with the reliable sources. Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 14:30, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Image in infobox
Why was the image in the infobox shrunken? 207.190.177.171 (talk) 16:15, 25 May 2023 (UTC)