Talk:The Wrestler (2008 film)

Release year
Since The Wrestler (1974 film) exists, I've used the estimated release year from IMDb to set up The Wrestler (2009 film). However, since this is only an estimate which has been wrong in the past, the film does not actually have a release date. It could be that the film will be completed in time for 2008 or have a delayed post-production process until 2010. In the meantime, "2009" is temporarily used to differentiate this future film article from the past film article. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Filming wrapped in March 2008, so there is the possibility of a late 2008 release. However, there has been no official word yet, so I agree with leaving the 2009 release date until an announcement is made.24.187.134.112 (talk) 00:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Source
Here's an interview with Darren Aronofsky and Mickey Rourke from Slam! that may have some useful stuff. -- Scorpion0422 13:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Perry Saturn probably isn't in this
Since he hasn't been seen by anyone in the business since around 2003. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.207.248.210 (talk) 04:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Doesn't mean he's not in it... Ernest Miller's been out of the business for a few years himself and he has a pivotal role. However, this is the only place I've seen any reference to Saturn being in the film.24.187.134.112 (talk) 13:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Perry Saturn wasn't in the movie, he was homeless at the time. No one who knew personally knew what happened to him — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.8.73.81 (talk) 00:11, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

100% Rotten Tomatoes?
It's rated N/A on the site... Ultimatemarvel (talk) 01:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've just looked and it says 100%. -- Skarl 08:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Controversy

 * Hollywood film The Wrestler 'insults Iran' — Erik (talk • contrib) 05:06, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I updated it to make it more neutral. To say that the film was "Anti-Iranian" is definitely not NPOV.  Rather, the film was attempting to portray accurately the cartoonish nationalism and xenophobia often displayed at wrestling shows, making reference in particular to the Iron Sheik character from the 80s.  Whether there was any intent by the filmmakers to malign Iran or Iranians is entirely a matter of opinion.Alanmjohnson (talk) 08:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Under a section about it's critical reception, it seems strange to include a section not about how it has been received but how one journalist thinks it may possibly be received in the future by one group. If and when there is some outcry from Iranians who don't understand that the film is merely imitating actual Wrestlers and is not itself putting forward an anti-Iranian message, then a separate heading about that controversy would be fitting.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.173.153 (talk) 04:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Fair point. One could mention that bit under "Critical Reception", but until there is an actual (instead of predicted) outcry of note, it doesn't quite count as a controversy.  That said, the boards at imdb have had a few people crying foul at this, but it doesn't quite rise to the level of notability.Alanmjohnson (talk) 09:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I vote the Controversy section get deleted. Who cares what Iran thinks. If people outside of the West can't appreciate the fake Iranian angle than screw em. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.112.158.50 (talk) 02:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I'd think the Iranian angle in general is supposed to evoke Jim Duggan and the Iron Sheik feud, not Hogan and the Iron Sheik. I think we need some sort of citation on that. Dormammu (talk) 04:41, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Plot
I've added the "plot" tag. The plot in this article is far too detailed, and some of it needs wikification. I haven't seen the movie, so I'm not comfortable deciding what portions are actually relevant plot points... 207.118.45.89 (talk) 07:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)7secondsed

Removing this line from the plot description: "Then Suddenly Drops To The Ground, It Seems As Though Randy Has Suffered Some Sort Of Heart Attack, The Credits Roll." Firstly, Randy leaps, not drops. Secondly, while he's been suffering the symptoms of a heart attack, his physical state in the end is obviously supposed to be at least some sort of ambiguous -- he doesn't clearly drop to the ground suffering a heart attack. We won't even get into the capitalization problem with the sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.142.246 (talk) 17:49, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * WOW, thanks for spoiling the ending for me! But that's okay, I don't mind. AndarielHalo (talk) 19:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That's what happens when you read an encyclopedic article about a film. Entirely your own fault. EgyptianSushi (talk) 21:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't there used to be spoiler alerts on these articles? --Kotu Kubin (talk) 22:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I saw the film last week (I got it on dvd for Christmas). I thought that it was absolutely terrible. However having read the wikipedia entry I realise that the film is actually quite good, or at least perceived as such by "critics". In fairness I didn't watch the film very carefully and in fact stopped watching towards the end. 90.216.26.214 (talk) 18:29, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Plot could do with a clean up, first mention of Ayatollah match is when he is saying its back on. &#39; (talk) 18:06, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
I've removed the trivia reference to Chris Jericho, as it's obvious that the Ayatollah is a reference to the Iron Sheik from the WWF. --Uberzensch (talk) 02:55, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

The script is basically based on the life of Jake the Snake Roberts, which can be seen in the docu-film 'Beyond the Mat'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.137.114 (talk) 18:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Finishing Move
I just saw The Wrestler last night and was pretty sure "Ram Jam" was a diving headbutt, but the article says it's a diving elbow drop? ¬ MysteryHam (talk) 01:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks to whoever made the first move of updating it, I fixed the link for it as well. ¬ MysteryHam (talk) 10:50, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

WWE and TNA statements
they both made statements about the film should they be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.227.187 (talk) 21:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Depends on how relevant the statements are to the movie. What are they? 67.171.221.28 (talk) 22:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * WWE's response here: http://blogs.three8six.com/jawbreaker/2008/12/wwes-response-to-the-wrestler.html
 * TNA's response here: http://blogs.three8six.com/jawbreaker/2009/01/tna-wrestlings-response-to-the-wrestler.html


 * Clearly TNA is more favorable, but Vince McMahon always seems to hate any portrayal of wrestling to the non-wrestling world that isn't developed by him. That's just my opinion, though.


 * Here is John Bradshaw Layfield's personal opinion: http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=233366628 AndarielHalo (talk) 19:50, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Your assumptions on Vince McMahon doesn't like any portrayal of wrestling that isn't made by him is actually as close to the truth as you can get. The thing is...Rajah and other sites reported Vince saw it, and hated it.  But many people backstage knew he was going to hate it cause like yous aid, it didn't fit his portrayal of wrestling.  To make things worse, he has the right to block out any commercials he doesn't like that are broadcast on his show.  And I heard that he blocked any advertisements for The Wrestler showing up during any Smackdown, RAW, and ECW broadcast.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.28.242 (talk) 00:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Me again, I was wondering if the article should contain Vince's true feelings on the film. Rajah and other dirt sheet sites that Vince hated it.  And he's only inviting Mickey Rourke to Wrestlemania and do a storyline with Jericho just to get publicity/exposure and to earn a profit.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.28.242 (talk) 08:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that given the WWE's prominant role in the Wrestling Industry, it deserves some notion in reception. Something like "World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. initally gave an unfavourable review, stating it gave an incorrect presentation of the Professional Wrestling industry. However once the film began recieving critical acclaim, the WWE changed it's view of the film, praising it and even incorporating it into one of their kayfabe." Or something along those lines.--DonJuan.EXE (talk) 23:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Role History
In the article is says that the role went from Cage to Rourke.

Tonight on Tavis Smiley Rourke said it went from him to Cage and back to him:


 * "Mickey Rourke". - Tavis Smiley. - January 29, 2009.

The reason it was taking away from him, the money men wanted a more bankable star, and offered Cage $20 million. Why Cage jumped ship they did say. But, the writer really wanted Rourke, so it came back to him.

- 4.240.159.88 (talk) 08:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Character
Some argue the main character is based of Lex Luger or some other wrestlers in real life, any other opinion on the claims. Kasaalan (talk) 20:54, 21 May 2009

Oscars
The word "oscar" is not in this article, which I think is weird (doesn't matter that the actors didn't win them). --95.97.92.58 (talk) 08:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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Merger
The spinoff article "List of accolades received by The Wrestler (2008 film)" should be merged back into the parent article. Per WP:WHENSPLIT, articles ought to be between 61 KB and 100 KB to even consider splitting. The parent article is currently at 35 KB. The spinoff is at 16 KB including the infobox and other additions. The merged article will be around 50 KB or less. For a reference, see a rated 'good article' like Jurassic Park (film) to see how it's kept it's accolades section without a split. It's 101 KB. –DA1 (talk) 18:50, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thoughts on the matter? DA1 (talk) 19:01, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with that- thanks for the ping.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:05, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Not sure why I was pinged, but no issues with merging that back here. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:09, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I pinged you three since you had edited the above article, lol. DA1 (talk) 19:24, 2 November 2018 (UTC)