Talk:The X-Files/Archive 6

Laura Palmer's photo?
I was wondering about the sentence in influences where it says: In the pilot, Mulder is seen sitting at his desk, and among the clutter, a framed copy of the Laura Palmer "prom-queen" photo is seen. ^THAT^

I've cued back and forth and freeze framed, etc I can't see it. Then as I was about to come on here to say this I see that: [citation needed] Has been added to the sentence. So IS IT REALLY THERE? I think if that's the case then being that it's so hard to find whoever added that should upload a screenshot with it circled or something. Or if anyone can tell me where it is there at all that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.164.239 (talk) 01:02, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Your question intrigued me as I'd never heard of this before. After some Google searching I've come to suspect that this info was added by someone who saw it at this page, which claims the same thing in similar words. I haven't gone frame-by-frame through the episode, but the link above seems to be, literally, the only site on the internet to make this claim, (aside from Wikipedia), so I have a feeling it is erroneous information.


 * However I did come across something similar in my search, which may have led to the confusion. The TV.com page for Squeeze, another first-season episode, has the following trivia posted: "If you look closely you can see a picture of the corpse of Laura Palmer from Twin Peaks in the scene where Mulder shows Scully the elongated fingerprints from the previous murder scenes. You can see it hanging behind Scully's head when she backs away in her chair and stands up. David Duchovny played a small part in this series as DEA Agent Dennis Bryson".


 * Haven't looked for this yet in the episode itself, but if you do, let us know if it's there. :)  Equazcion •✗/C • 20:59, 15 Nov 2008 (UTC)
 * I just watched the video on Google, and I cannot see any picture of Laura Palmer. Granted, the video is rather small, and I might be able to make out greater detail on a large-screen tv, but there are a lot of pictures on the bulletin board in this scene, and none of them look at all like Laura Palmer. ---  RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive'  22:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried a downloaded version. I can see the photo that's being referred to. It's got a greenish hue and shows a woman's body, but we don't get a good enough look to see much more than that. It could be Laura Palmer, but it could just as easily be someone random. And just for kicks I took a look through the more famous photos of Laura Palmer's body on Google, and none of them match.  Equazcion •✗/C • 14:25, 16 Nov 2008 (UTC)
 * All of this seems to add up to not much. But, I would argue that the claim should be removed from the article until some rock-solid evidence is found. ---  RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive'  14:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The X-Files and R. W. Goodwin
I was wondering why R. W. Goodwin gets little to no mention in X-Files related wiki pages? Could have sworn I read something saying that he directed the first and last episodes of each season while he was a part of the show, yet he doesn't even have an article.

Han Hobo (talk) 23:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, R.W. Goodwin is mentioned by name at least three times in the text of THIS article, including a quote to his name about the challenges of producing XF episodes, and specific mentions of several well known episodes he directed. I'm not sure that his public contributions to television, or other art forms in general are numerous enough to justify having his own article. Usually if someone is known primarily for doing one thing only and there is little to say about them independent of covering that subject, in this case The X-Files, there is no need for a separate article.


 * Also, just to clarify, though I used to think Goodwin had directed the opening and closing episodes of each year (minus the Pilot and plus One Breath midway in season 2) for the first five seasons, it turns out Goodwin didnt do the first episode in season two, Little Green Men, which was directed by David Nutter. Goodwin's actual credits according to IMDb are: Erlenmeyer Flask (season 1); One Breath and Anasazi (season 2); The Blessing Way and Talitha Cumi (season 3); Herrenvolk and Gethsemane (season 4); and Redux [part I] and The End (season 5). In addition, Goodwin wrote, but did not direct, season 4's Demons ep.

70.21.58.96 (talk) 10:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters
A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction). Ikip (talk) 11:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

How Can X-Files and Millennium Be in the Same Universe?
I know there was a crossover episode between The X-Files and Millennium that served as a kind of resolution to Millennium's story but wasn't there another episode of Millennium that showed The X-Files as a TV show? It was called 'Somehow Satan Got Behind Me'. It showed them filming The X-Files in a studio, although they didn't have the actual actors from The X-Files. 203.213.17.245 (talk) 01:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Was it actually called The X-Files or was it just some spoof? I mean, I know it was a reference to show obviously, but in the continuity of the episode itself?--CyberGhostface (talk) 03:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * They did not call it The X-Files. I haven't actually seen the episode but from what I read in a transcript, it involved two people who looked a lot like Mulder and Scully in an alien autopsy scene getting attacked by aliens with machine guns. The theme music resembled X-Files theme music but wasn't quite the same. 203.219.182.64 (talk) 08:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, there was also an episode of The X-Files where a case they've worked one was being made into a movie. Maybe what you saw in Millennium was a part of that? :) Davhorn (talk) 14:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have watched every episode of both shows. Turns out that in an episode of The X-Files, Millennium's main character, Frank Black, has a major part in it.  So yes, they are in the same universe.  --Mrninja13 (talk) 00:10, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Homicide: Life on the Streets
Millennium is considered to be part of the same universe as The X-Files because there was an X-Files episode that featured Frank Black and there was a Millennium episode that featured Jose Chung. However, there was also an X-Files episode that featured John Munch, who is the main character in the shows Homicide: Life on the Street and Law & Order: Special Victims Unit. This was not a brief cameo. He appeared in more than one scene and had many lines. Does that mean those shows are also part of the same universe as The X-Files? If so, should we list them as related shows? Does a single crossover mean that two shows are part of the same universe? 203.219.182.104 (talk) 04:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Major changes to the article (and why they were reverted)
I've restored the version of the article prior to the major changes posted a few minutes ago. I don't like to do this, because of the effort involved, but (despite some improvements in certain areas) overall the changes need a fair deal of discussion as there are some serious issues that need addressing and resolving first. There are issues with the writing style, organization (especially the lead), and other aspects that warrant the revert. The previous version is stronger at this point and as such should stand for now. I'll do a more detailed review tomorrow (given the hour here) and again kudos for the effort, but it needs proofreading and discussion. --Ckatz chat spy  10:34, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That may be right, but my version is better then this in many other ways. Most important its referenced --TIAYN (talk) 11:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What did you guys decide? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 14:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Yearly teview of the X-Files
This may well not be the the correct place for this as I am a Wikipedia user only and not a writer. I am just finishing my fourth time through the X-Files and I have been using this reference a great deal.

I was extremely disappointed when I looked last night to find that the year by year commentary had been removed during this rewrite. It gave a lot of focus to the run years of the series. I would encourage the new contributers to either include this once again as was or to rewrite it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.54.241 (talk) 20:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * See The X-Files (season 1), The X-Files (season 2), The X-Files (season 3), The X-Files (season 4), The X-Files (season 5), The X-Files (season 6), The X-Files (season 7), The X-Files (season 8), The X-Files (season 9). Matthewedwards : Chat  20:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Is Millenium really a spin-off of The X-Files?
I made an edit to this article which had said that Millenium was a spin-off of The X-Files to saying that The X-Files had a crossover with it. I explained in the Millenium article why Millenium is not really an X-Files spin-off.

The Millenium article (which I corrected) mistakenly said that Millenium had been developed as an X-Files spin-off. Chris Carter came up with Millenium when FOX asked him for another show and I don't think FOX actually said that it had to be a spin-off of The X-Files.

From what I read Millenium was developed on its own and Millenium is not an X-Files spin-off because none of its characters nor storyline originated on The X-Files. --The Shadow Treasurer (talk) 03:46, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Abbreviations + picture size
Firstly I don't think mentioning "x-files" as an alternative name is really necessary, as every TV or movie title with "the" is often referred to without it. And is there some good ref that refers to The X-Files as "TXF"?

As far as the picture, the image is 230 pixels. Is there really a need to enlarge it and compromise quality? Equazcion (talk) 05:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Copy-editing
I tagged the article for needing general copy-editing; any help would be appreciated. Hardtofindaname 09:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Mythology of The X-Files
Didn't we once have a separate article on the Mythology of The X-Files? Now it seems to be a redirect to this article (yet this article contains links to it). A little confused. Nevertheless, there should probably be a separate mythology article to explain this very vast story. Equazcion (talk) 16:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I created that redirect. We are going to create the Mythology one time, but its a big project. So it might take a while before any one actually does it. --TIAYN (talk) 17:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Until then the links should be removed from this article, being redirects right back here, agreed? Equazcion (talk) 17:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay with me. --TIAYN (talk) 17:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I changed my mind :) I might be starting that article today so I'm gonna leave the links in for now. Equazcion (talk) 17:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Mythology article
TIAYN and I have begun work on the article Mythology of The X-Files. This is an effort to describe the complex X-Files story arc and tie together all the various articles that describe it. My personal goal is to present the story in a way that's easy to understand even for non-fans of the show, as it's pretty complicated. If you feel you can contribute please check out the article. We could use the help. Thanks. Equazcion (talk) 20:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

References to the eighth season
Is there any reason why the eighth season seems to be mentioned the most in the article? Just wondering, because perhaps we could even out the coverage? Hardtofindaname 10:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * All the production information are about the first seven seasons, reception and syndication info are easier to find for the newer episodes. If you want to add more information about them... get the information  --TIAYN (talk) 15:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, should have been more specific. I was referring to the second paragraph of the "themes and allusion" section and the bit about eighth season ratings under "international syndication". Perhaps that should be moved to the season eight page?  It's just a suggestion; I do plan to go look out for more info about the other seasons but I thought I'd bring it up to get some info on the history behind the decision to be more specific for that particular season.  Thanks for your response. Hardtofindaname 23:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Burning show?
A better word is needed under International syndication in the sentence "...viewers felt the show was burning." I believe it is a reference to program quality having dropped in the eyes of viewers, but I don't know what the proper replacement word would be. 'burning' isn't the right word there.-Neptunerover (talk) 21:50, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I changed it to the longer description of viewers' feelings, for lack of a better single word.-Neptunerover (talk) 22:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Also starring
Hey, I've just recently started watching the fourth season, and it billed William B. Davis as "also starring". Now, I know that the infobox right now only has the actors in the opening credits listed, but most other shows (like the US Office, Freaks and Geeks, and House) have the actors who are billed as "also starring" in the infobox as well. Therefore, I submit that William B. Davis and anyone else who is billed as also starring to be in the inforbox as well. (please don't spoil anything for me!!!) 75.42.83.46 (talk) 04:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Since no one responded, I'm just gonna put William B. Davis in the infobox. I don't know who else should be there given I have only recently begun season 4. 75.42.83.46 (talk) 08:23, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Infoboxes only list actors with main roles, which (as far as I recall) Davis never had. "Also starring" can refer to recurring roles. --Ckatz chat spy  09:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thats true, but I felt a discussion should be made, because it is a different and special billing, one that may or may not be important enough to be in the infobox. Part of my problem is that I don't have much of an argument because I haven't seen enough of the series. One option is making an "also starring" catagory, if thats even necessary. 75.42.83.46 (talk) 02:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Country
I'm actually with Jimchan9 on this, though they should've discussed the issue rather than edit warred over it. Also would've been nice if Ckatz would've done the same, or at least provided some rationale in the edit summary beyond "long-standing convention". I'm not quite sure what that means -- that the article has been this way a while? Anyway, as far as I know, much of the filming having taken place in Canada isn't reason to call a show or film Canadian. It was made by an American network for an American market, as Jimchan9 points out, and I haven't seen any better argument put forth otherwise. Equazcion ( talk ) 01:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Simply put, it would be nice if Jim would actually discuss this rather than reverting his preference in. If the decision here leads to such a change, so be it - but as the current version has stood for quite some time it is appropriate to complete the discussion first. --Ckatz chat spy  01:53, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree completely with that. If you have no argument for why it should be the way it's been for a while, then it should change. It having been this way up until now isn't any argument in itself, and if there's no counter-argument, then no discussion need take place. The change can happen until someone does come along with something to say. I'm making the edit again. If anyone comes up with any actual rationale it can always be changed back. Equazcion  ( talk ) 01:58, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The argument is simple. It's a series developed by American media company, for the US market. The stories involved with are almost completely within US border. The only thing that has anything to do with Canada is for cost control in the early part of the series. Eventually the network caved in to the demands of Duchovny and Anderson, moved the production to LA.  I have presented a brief explanation before. If this series is to call "Canadian series" then we need to start calling The Lord Of The Rings trilogy "New Zealand series" because they were mostly shot in New Zealand.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimchan9 (talk • contribs) 02:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * no it's not that simple. the outer limits was produced in Canada by mostly Canadian companies and it is called an American tv series.  the rights to CSI were half or majority owned by a Canadian company and it is not called anything Canadian.  All those shows should do the same thing stargate atlantis and sg1 did call it a Canadian American tv show.  the series failed partly due to moving out of Canada,  the country should be mentioned in the introduction as being important to its success.Grmike (talk) 17:17, 18 June 2010 (UTC)grmike
 * Gee, someone is bitter. I don't understand, were we talking about the outer limit? Now that you mentioned it, so we should use those as precedence, correct? Excuse me, if you are a true fan then you SHOULD know the series was cancelled due to the fact that Duchovny decided to move on, not because it moved out of Canada. In fact season six is the best season ever, right after production was moved back to the United States. "Early in the sixth season, the producers took advantage of the new location, setting the show in parts of the country they had not been able to write episodes in previously". You didn't read that one, did you? Stop having these inferiority complex and move on already.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimchan9 (talk • contribs) 16:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Harsh Realm
Why do people oppose the inclusion of Harsh Realm in the mention of shows that X-Files helped launch for Carter? If you mention Millennium, then why not mention Harsh Realm? Harsh Realm was a worse show than Millennium in terms of ratings, so there is a stronger case that X-Files helped launch Harsh Realm than Millennium. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.209.129 (talk) 22:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) WP:PROVEIT and 2) so what? that has nothing to do with the topic of this article, X-Files. Active Banana   ( bananaphone  22:49, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

That's fine, I am OK with removing Millennium. My point was only that IF Millennium were to be included, then Harsh Realm should be included as well. 98.231.209.129 (talk) 23:03, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

X-Files Expo
Where should we mention the X-Files Expos? As you can see from this reference , it was an official X-Files convention for fans held at 10 major U.S. cities in 1998. I think it fits in perfectly in the opening section, where it states: "The show's popularity peaked in the mid-to-late 1990s, leading to the 1998 film, The X-Files." Obviously the popularity also led to the X-Files Expos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.209.129 (talk) 01:55, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I would place it The_X-Files. We dont try to "prove statements" that our sources make. Active Banana   ( bananaphone  01:57, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * And the claim of "popularity peaking in the mid to late 90's" is actually not from a source at all and so has been removed. Active Banana   ( bananaphone  02:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Millennium as spin-off
Millennium was misidentified in the lede as a spin-off of The X-Files, which is inaccurate. The two shows were in the same fictional universe, and had cross-overs, but none of the characters or storylines on Millennium originated in The X-Files. ---  RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive' 01:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Broadcast vs. Cable
I recently edited the x files page removing references to StargateSG1. I did this thinking this was a no-brainer, sorry. I removed these references in the opening paragraph and the "Nielsen ratings" section. The reason I feel these should be removed is because neither Stargate SG1 nor Dr. Who (which is the subject of the citation article for the "Nielson ratings" segment)are US Broadcast television shows. The article itself does not claim this, saying simply that SG1 was the "longest running Science fiction show." SG1 was only aired on the Showtime and the SciFi Channel, neither of which are broadcast channels. Maybe this objection nitpicky, but as it is, this reference just seems lazy. I won't make any further changes until I get some consensus on this, however. Blueharvestfan (talk) 19:33, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Why Is This Show NOT Considered Film Noir?
I have tried twice now to add "Film Noir" to the list of Formats or "Sub genres" that make up The X-Files, but each time, it has been removed. I think it is quite obvious to anyone who has watched the show that there is a clear Film Noir influence on the show as well as the fact that the concept, the storyline of numerous episodes, and even the show's cinematography all have Film Noir aspects....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_noir#Approaches_to_defining_noir —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maestrodagod (talk • contribs) 15:23, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It totally does - have Film Noir aspects that is. It's a dark show. I think anyone who's seen it can get on board, in that respect. But it isn't Film Noir per se. I mean, it's not a black-and-white, big-city detective show narrarted by Robert Stack. But in a more serious sense, "Film Noir" is not a clearly defined phrase, but one that generally refers to crime dramas from the 1940s and '50s, characterized by hardboiled detective fiction and usually presented in the form of melodramas. What exactly "Film Noir" means is a subject of no small scholarly debate, but you've got to admit that as a series, The X-Files meets none of those criteria. Don't give up though, if it means something to you - there's a strong argument to be made for the assertion that the one was influenced by the other. Stagyar Zil Doggo (talk) 04:23, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Starting in season eight, with the addition of Agent John Doggett, the series seems to have definitely taken on more of the characteristics I personally associate with "Film Noir" than it did much earlier in the series.. Mulder did the sci-fi aspect perfectly, but his character is in no way compatible with how I'd think a detective in "Film Noir" acts - Doggett on the other hand, is a classic "Film Noir" detective personality. But overall, I would still say that the X-Files falls outside of the genre of Film Noir, even in season 8. 98.177.243.69 (talk) 05:57, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Criticism
Shouldn't the article contain some information about criticism of The X-Files? For example, Dawkins' views:

"The X-Files is a television series in which, every week, two FBI agents face a mystery. One of the two, Scully, favours a rational, scientific explanation; the other agent, Mulder, goes for an explanation which either is supernatural or, at very least, glorifies the inexplicable. The problem with The X-Files is that routinely, relentlessly, the supernatural explanation, or at least the Mulder end of the spectrum, usually turns out to be the answer. [...] But The X-Files systematically purveys an anti-rational view of the world which, by virtue of its recurrent persistence, is insidious."

- Richard Dawkins

utcursch | talk 15:09, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, good old Richard "cameo role in one of the most scientifically nonsensical episodes of Doctor Who ever filmed" Dawkins, having a pop at The X Files. Speednik (talk) 19:35, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

And why do you consider the sentence you quoted a judgmental view?

--Fiertel91 (talk) 23:28, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Influenced by 1967-68 ABC-TV series "The Invaders" ?
Although not listed as an influence or inspiration by its creator Chris Carter, it seems obvious to me that X-Files was derivative from the earlier series. Besides the common main themes of alien invasion and conspiracy, note that Roy Thinnes guest-starred 3 times in the X-Files and, (much like Fox Mulder after him )David Vincent "travels from place to place, trying to foil the aliens' plots and warn..." skeptics...etc. Hiroll (talk) 03:07, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

UFO Photo in Opening title sequence
I've been trying to find some background in regards to the UFO photo seen at the very beginning of the opening title sequence. I browsed through a list of UFO sightings and didn't really come up with anything, even though I didn't check into every link and I didn't click on every source. I'm wondering if the UFO photo at the beginning is an actual UFO sighting or if it was just made strictly for the show's sequence. If anyone could shed some light on this, that'd be great. Thanks! Geeky Randy (talk) 01:02, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Copyedit
Per request, edited this. Feedback encouraged! Comments:


 * The "story arc" is referred to repeatedly, but never summarized. It's not what the show is "about" (aliens and conspiracy") but how the show evolves. Likewise, the "mythology" is never covered. Separate sections?


 * Patched instead of fixed the "npr" ref that gave an error when properly cited. Not too noticeable.


 * Switched to sfn from the xxx.. It's less hacky and looks great.

Cheers: Lfstevens (talk) 21:37, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

X files userbox
Since nobody has yet made an X-files userbox, at least that I can find, I made one myself. If anyone wants it copy and paste this.

Shreder 02 (talk) 15:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice work. There is one though:

User:EVula/Userboxes/X-Files --


 *  Equazcion •✗/C • 16:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Both are good. I'd just change the text color on the first one so its easier to read.--CyberGhostface (talk) 16:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. That was actually my first userbox.Shreder 02 (talk) 17:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Update: My userbox is now in the gallery under science fiction Shreder 02 (talk) 17:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :D. I'm gonna make some of my own with these if it's OK/-Taeyebaar (talk) 08:09, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit war over excessive detail and addition of a fansite as a reliable source
has been adding what I believe to be excessive detail on the article regarding the use of Google Group as a source. This contravenes WP:RS and WP:V. Does anyone have additional thoughts on this matter? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:57, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I moved a bit of the info on "Beyond the Sea" to the respective article. However, the vast majority of the paragraph about "EBE" is entirely wirtten from what appears to be original research; I checked the "source" and it was a fragment of an interview that backed-up a single line of the paragraph. The rest of the section had no sources and was OR. I agree that it should remain free of this excessive amount of detail (or at least until better sources can be found than a Google Group Archive of an old message board).-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   03:34, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I linked to the wrong source in my edit. Someone who has permission to edit the article please add in the relevant facts about the way the producers and writers were inspired to an unprecedented degree (recall this was 1993-4) on online fans' suggestions/discussions in many of their key episodes: http://web.archive.org/web/20040422232620/http://morganandwongonline.com/xmen.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.21.66 (talk) 10:44, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Fantasy
I wanted to start a discussion before simply deleting it, but I'm against the addition of the fantasy genre to this article. The X-Files, by and large, has always been classified as science fiction, I've never seen it labeled as fantasy. The existence of one article on the Internet (Google "The X-Files fantasy", there's no other sources), that barely even argues or says outright that "The X-Files is fantasy" within the article, doesn't automatically get to define this show as "fantasy". Thoughts? Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:25, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I kind of with you on this. I was also frustrated that the editor who added it just used a bare url. I think the article is arguing that it's more of a science fiction series than a science series, though, so I don't really think it's that notable.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   13:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. This is classic sci-fi territory here.  Where's the fantasy?  And as you have both indicated, the source is not great. --- The Old Jacobite The '45  13:49, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I boldly removed it.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   16:29, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Going to admit that probably some episodes deal with more fantastic things (not an expert on this show) but when you are summarizing the entire series, it's generally dealing with science fiction themes. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:37, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. When you mention it, most people will think of "aliens", and not "angels" (which the show did touch upon).-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   16:51, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The show is generally pretty episodic and deals with different genres on an episode by episode basis, but the supernatural plays a heavy part in most episodes making it about a 40/60 split with sci-fi being the majority but the show still deals with fantastic elements such as ghosts, demons, and various paranormal phenomena making it fit more in the speculative fiction genre (the parent of both sci-fi and fantasy) as it contains both, but is more known for only one of these genres. The source was pretty weak though I understand but it can be both a fantasy and science fiction show as these are not mutually exclusive concepts, many shows are multi-genred and X-Files would not be the first. - Shallowgravy (talk) 01:48, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem with this is that the show also had comedic episodes; in fact, some of its best-known episodes were really, really funny, but I would never categorize the series as a "comedy".-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   02:31, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thats fair, yet it still doesn't outweigh the point that the show is about the paranormal and specifically science fiction and fantasy concepts, you're not wrong, you can't label it as everything under the sun, but it still stands to reason that most of the show is either sci-fi or fantasy with some stories being a little of both. - Shallowgravy (talk) 03:28, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Taking a look at Shallowgravy's recent contributions, he has added a lot of movies and tv shows to various fantasy sub-cats, some of which were definitely not appropriate or accurate. A closer look might need to be taken at all of his recent edits, and a message left telling him not to add categories that are unsupported by article content. --- The Old Jacobite The '45  17:17, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I was going to bring up a discussion on this but seeing there's already one, I propose paranormal be used in place of science fiction or fantasy. I can understand somebody wanting to call it fantasy since about half the episodes go into realms that have nothing to do with sci-fi such as ghosts, black magic, etc, but I don't think fantasy would best describe it. That would put all the other episodes containing aliens, advanced experimentation and other sci-fi into the wrong category. That's why I propose paranormal. Besides that's what the X-Files means, records of FBI files of investigation into paranormal cases not yet solved or scientifically explained. If you wanna discuss them like that then let's do it here. Only thing is I'm extremely busy with university till August so excuse me for not replying until then..-Taeyebaar (talk) 08:08, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd be fine calling it paranormal. I think that covers both the alien arcs, as well as the ghost/magic/religious stuff pretty well.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   14:44, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

It's long established as primarily science fiction. It should not be changed. Taeyebaar changed the genre to over a dozen articles without discussion yesterday, which I had to revert. - Gothicfilm (talk) 08:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Seeing your contributions, you've made other reverts to this article without discussion as well. If anyone opposed the paranormal category (which covers BOTH sci-fi and non-sci-fi episodes) they would have expressed this disapproval. I'm gonna have to pursue this later since you don't seem to stop these reverts, which you don't have to do-Taeyebaar (talk) 01:10, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually the only other revert I did here was to Mulder's office, which is more clear in this context. That hardly needed discussion, as I'm sure most here would agree with it. Yet you reverted it back and claimed that was agreed to on this Talk page when it was never even mentioned. If that was a mistake, you didn't mention it or bother to correct it with your next edit. So questions of competency come up as well. - Gothicfilm (talk) 01:31, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. The "I Want to Believe" poster is a fixture of Mulder's office, in that it is something that Mulder added. The poster wasn't directly connected to the X-Files office, other than the office being occupied by Mulder, who then put the poster up.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   04:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I've added supernatural as a genre since not all the episodes are sci-fi. Leave it at that and do not edit war over it again. You could have gotten us both blocked.-Taeyebaar (talk) 00:24, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


 * It's not important if some think not all episodes were sci-fi. The series is primarily sci-fi, so that's in the lead. Calling it an "American science fiction, supernatural, horror, drama television series" is almost tripping over itself - it's verbose. You seemed to sense that, as you added commas, but we don't put commas in genre descriptions. Your newly added supernatural doesn't even link to a genre article, unlike the others. So yeah, I'm reverting you again. Stop putting in these things and announcing no one can touch them. You've got no consensus. - Gothicfilm (talk) 00:35, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

You're the one who keeps reverting them to your liking and then announcing that people didn't ask your permission. Also is it a coincidence that when you came on my talk page, you looked through my contributions and decided to revert that section even though it had been left alone. I'll see what can be done about your disruptive editing-Taeyebaar (talk) 04:56, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * it seems my suspicions of you looking through my contributions and repeatedly reverting my edits are correct. You recently also reverted my edits to the Lord of the Flies article as well.-Taeyebaar (talk) 07:24, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * If you might notice, on July 17 I wrote above It's long established as primarily science fiction. It should not be changed. Taeyebaar changed the genre to over a dozen articles without discussion yesterday, which I had to revert. I stand by that. Gen. Quon reverted your last edit as well. You have no consensus. If you're so determined to label sci-fi projects with your own specifically tailored subgenres, I suggest you start your own blog. An encyclopedia is not the place for it. - Gothicfilm (talk) 18:04, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

I added supernatural to it so I would not have to remove the sci-fi part because you are reverting paranormal which covers both sci-fi and non sci-fi episodes, not to mention the second X-Files movie which had nothing to do with science fiction whatsoever. People were fine with paranormal until you came and reverted it so I was trying to keep it encyclopedia while keeping you satisfied.

But this isn't really about one article. You are looking through my contributions and reverting me on every article and then demanding people didn't get your permission to make edits. You first make excuses that no discussion was made, then your next excuse is since you personally disagree, no consensus was made. I provide you sources on my talk page, since that was one of your demands (and a valid one) but you still go on reverting with one excuse after another, the latest being that it's "long time established" so it's clear you just want to look for excuses to revert others, especially me. You also make edits without discussion, but will use that as an excuse when others make edits without your permission. Now you see why I have to bring this to the notice of the administrators.-Taeyebaar (talk) 19:34, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Did you read my last post just above? Gen. Quon reverted your last edit as well. You have no consensus. - Gothicfilm (talk) 19:39, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes he was perfectly fine with paranormal till you searched my contributions, as you did on multiple articles came and revered it. You on the other hand either don't read my replies and deliberately ignore them. You say one editors agreement with me is not enough for me to have consensus on my side, now you use this one single editors agreement with you to claim that consensus is on your side. (???)-Taeyebaar (talk) 23:28, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * One person who momentarily agreed with you is not consensus, especially when others disagreed, and as said above, Gen. Quon now disagrees with you as well, saying it is a sci-fi series primarily when he reverted you. So it's unbelievable you cite him when you took out sci-fi in your last edit. You also are now are going against a cited source that you left in place, as if it backs your change. This show is long established as primarily science fiction. You need consensus to make a change from that. I do not need consensus to revert back to what it has been for years. When things are disputed you're supposed to discuss and wait for agreement, leaving the page as it had long been until it's settled. And you certainly don't claim you have agreement from someone who most recently said it's primarily sci-fi. I suggest you stop WP:edit warring over genres.- Gothicfilm (talk) 17:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

citaction/reason for departure of Duchovny?
The abstract contains the sentence, "In the last two seasons Anderson became the star, while Duchovny appeared intermittently, following a lawsuit." Does anyone have a citation or more complete description of this (like who sued whom over what exactly)? Mzandrew (talk) 19:05, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * There's some good sources in the seventh and eight season pages. I can't believe it really isn't explained that well on this page. I'll try to fix that ASAP.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   21:30, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I added a new paragraph in the "Casting" section that explains all of this in-depth. How's it look now?-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   04:08, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

The X-Files Wikia
If anybody is interested by this show's wikia, there's a lot of job to be done there :

http://x-files.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

This is one of the worse wikia I've ever seen.

--Caviar d&#39;Aberdeen (talk) 22:10, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Graphic design
As there seems to be some dispute on the font family used for credits and captions in the series I felt it would ne helpful to specify it as being ITC American Typewriter. My additioned was rolled back without a reason. Please don't roll this change back as it is a important contribution. Theking2 (talk) 17:52, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem was that you did't specify a source. Original Research (OR) is not allowed on Wikipedia.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   18:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

TV spin-offs that time forgot
http://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/tv/tv-spin-offs-that-time-forgot/ss-BBd9EdD?ocid=mailsignout says 'The X-Files'... '90s sci-fi phenomenon spawned two spin-offs: the successful paranormal drama "Millennium," and another less-successful series, which lasted only 13 episodes.

Compare/Contrast:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Millennium_(TV_series)#Is_Millenium_really_a_spin-off_of_the_X-Files.3F
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_X-Files#Is_Millenium_really_a_spin-off_of_The_X-Files.3F
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_X-Files#Millennium_as_spin-off
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_X-Files#How_Can_X-Files_and_Millennium_Be_in_the_Same_Universe.3F

i have seen none of the three shows.

--70.17.201.156 (talk) 23:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

The X Files vs. The X-Files
Incredibly, if you look at the images used in the articles for the TV series and both movies, a hyphen has never been a part of the title of the franchise. Despite this, the use of the hyphen by nearly all media and discussion of the franchise might give it a WP:common_name arguement, despite the fact that it is actually inaccurate. Or does it? What do we do when the truth butts heads with the common name convention? -- AvatarMN (talk) 03:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, I have long wondered where this hyphen came from. It's possible that "The X-Files" was used on press releases and other material sent out by the creators, and that they have made a stylistic choice not to include it in the logos used on the series, films and other spinoffs like the novels, comic book and The Secrets of The X Files. I personally prefer to not use the hyphen but this is an opinion that's very much in the minority. Speednik (talk) 10:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The hyphen doesn't make sense. The 'X' isn't a prefix of 'Files'. These files are filed under 'X'. If the show was called The Enigma Files, or something, there'd be no hyphen confusion. The title of the article should be changed. Wetdogmeat (talk) 21:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

in the end credits of the first x files movie, it is in fact hyphenated —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.133.31 (talk) 12:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This comment is correct - screengrab of end credits. See also this example from a little earlier in the film. I'm of the opinion that while I personally am not a fan of the hyphen in the title, it's almost universally recognised as being part of it even by those who made it. Like it or not, the hyphen on the article title should remain. Speednik (talk) 08:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

"the hyphen on the article title should remain"? No, it should not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.25.33.131 (talk) 07:49, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Away with the hyphen, says I. This coming from a diehard for absolute accuracy when it comes to titles, to the point where I consider misspelt song names 'the whole truth and nothing but the truth', and thus not bound by WP's conventions. The main series states "The X Files", right? Then that's what it should be. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:26, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Without capitalization, x files, x-files, and the x files all redirect correctly. the x-files does not, although the X-files does. That said, i agree with Wetdogmeat that the hyphen doesn't make sense, but like Speednik said, if the makers include the hyphen, so should we. (As for the lack of a hyphen in the logo, you don't want to change the name to The (X) Files, do you? ;-) no more than Transformers should be Trans formers or Toys "R" Us should have a backwards R.) --70.17.201.156 (talk) 23:55, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I need help
I need help with expanding The X-Files sources and analogues and also please help add the link to the article in the The X-Files template. Thanks.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 23:37, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I feel any of that content would be better served in the main article, season articles, or episode articles (if they're not already there). A standalone article of this subject seems a bit odd to me, as I've never seen an article like that. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:02, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


 * That is not true. There are articles such as Harry Potter influences and analogues, Star Wars sources and analogues (which is what actually inspired me to write this), we have many stand alone articles on notable topics, plus there are entire books and websites covering this topic. I have The X-Files book of the unexplained with me right now that I borrowed from the library. There are plenty of books covering the subject. At the same time I find stand-alone topics like Religion in The X-Files questionable. This is true for many wiki-articles that I've seen while notable stand-alone topics are proposed for merging. So to re-state my argument, it definitely deserves a page especially given that it has plenty of sources and on ideas for the franchise. Now what else can we do to expand and improve it?--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 01:44, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I find nothing too objectionable with your article, although a good chunk of it is covered in the episode and season article (not to say it can't exist on its own). With that being said, I am curious as to why you find Religion in The X-Files questionable.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   04:34, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Can we remove the bit in the header where it mentions Mulder & Scully's relationship?
It's a major spoiler presented without warning to people who may be reading about the show for the first time. Seems unwise. I'm going to remove it, if anyone has any good reasons why it should stay please say so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.123.199.91 (talk) 08:44, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't fear the spoiler.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   16:57, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Omission in article - Opening sequence.
I am not experienced with Wikipedia, and as such I do not want to edit the article directly, but there is an omission in the article.

In s5, ep14 "The red and the black", the tagline at the end of the opening credits is "Resist or Serve" in place of the usual "The truth is out there" this is not mentioned on the section within "Opening sequence". Anyone with the box-set can verify this, and for reference, it is on disc 4 of series 5, and aired, I think, sometime around March of '98. If somebody experienced with editing would care to verify this, and amend the article accordingly, it would be appreciated. I do have a screen capture, but am not sure how to upload it, nor if it allowed because of copyright issues.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.49.170.197 (talk) 15:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I will say that that list of alternate taglines is just a smattering of some examples, not an exhaustive list.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   16:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Storage
At the end of the first episode, we see a warehouse sized room under the Pentagon where the evidence of these unsolved and mysterious cases is kept.(83.37.123.24 (talk) 14:33, 9 November 2015 (UTC))
 * Yes, and?-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   16:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Commentary from cast and crew in the Hollywood Reporter
I wanted to see what people thought about including commentary about the show from a recent The Hollywood Reporter article? Chris Carter, Bob Greenblatt, Danielle Gelber,Gary Newman, Sandy Grushow, Gillian Anderson and David Duchovny are all quoted in the article discussing the success of the series "on eve of a six-episode reunion series." Would it be worth adding some of their commentary onto to this page? Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 19:49, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it's probably a good idea. I'm not sure where it'd go. (maybe in the revival section?) Then again, I haven't read it.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   21:37, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Non-free files
This article is currently making use of four non-free pieces of media, and to me it seems that only one of them (the sound file) can really stand up as meeting WP:NFCC. The intertitle used in the infobox is wholly redundant to the free File:The X-Files logo.svg, while the images pulled from the title sequences are not in any way discussed critically or used to identify the work (there is discussion of the title sequence of the show but it does not offer commentary on the character portrait shots which are currently being used). My take on this would be to cut the title sequence images out entirely, replace the infobox intertitle with the aforementioned free alternative, and leave the sound file as is; does anyone have any meaningful rebuttal to this approach? G RAPPLE   X  23:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * That season nine sequence pic should go. Don't know when it got there. I'd be fine with the intertitle being phased out in favor of the free pic. Personally, I think the image of the title sequence is useful, but that's just me.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   01:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Personally, I'd like the infobox image should stay. The X-Files title card is quite iconic and using the title card in the infobox is pretty standard for TV series articles. Same for the original opening credits image as it is discussed in the article. The removal of the season 9 one is fine as it's pretty redundant. Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:10, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Can we add a small segment for standalone episodes?
Hi, my name is Charlie, and I'm currently a student at College of DuPage. For my English class, I was given the assignment of editing a page on Wikipedia. Early last week I added a segment discussing standalone episodes throughout the X-Files series, and yesterday found that it had been taken down. I feel that my edit retained at least some significance as it further explained the character development of the show. I would just like some insight as to where I went wrong, and what I can do to improve my edit.

-Thank you

Charlie ambrose (talk) 03:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)5/2/2016 User: charlie_ambrose
 * I assume you mean this edit? The reason it was reverted is two fold: 1) it was not sourced, and 2) it is redundant, considering that MOTWs are discussed on the page here (not to mention this page). The sourcing is the biggest issue, especially the assertion that the MOTWs were crafted so as to feature the growth of specific characters.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   04:42, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Photo Choices
Could I please suggest David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson photographs that depict them during the 90s, during the run of the X-Files series? The 50's something Mulder isn't how we remember the best drama/scifi series aired on TV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.205.199.185 (talk) 04:10, 16 May 2016 (UTC)


 * If we have a freely-licensed photo of either actor from that time frame then sure, that would be preferable, but there is no fair use justification for a non-free image of either actor if we have free alternatives. G RAPPLE   X  07:49, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

11th season announced

 * It's been long enough that I don't recall the templates to use for citing sources, so I'll leave this here for others to edit the article. Fox just announced an 11th season of the show at http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2017/04/20/the-x-files-returns-to-fox-for-10-episode-second-installment-of-event-series-465114/20170420fox01/, 10 episodes to air during the 2017-2018 season.  --ΨΦorg (talk) 23:21, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Now I have to actually watch it and get past Season 2... --  Alex TW 00:23, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

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At the end of season 1, the X-Files department is discontinued and "Deep Throat", Mulder's information source, killed. The first two episodes of season 2 sees two weird happenings, so it is decided to revive the X-Files department. Episode 3 is the first appearance of "The Lone Gunmen" when Mulder goes to them for help. They have helped him before.(5.8.190.86 (talk) 19:11, 17 September 2017 (UTC))
 * OK.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   19:38, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

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‎Opening sequence
Gen. Quon Season 11 Episode 7 (Rm9sbG93ZXJz) opening sequence:

Lado85 (talk) 10:37, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe you. What I'm referring to is a citation that backs up this statement. This page is a good article, meaning that, among other things, everything has been cited with an inline source. You'll notice that in "Opening sequence", every mention of a unique tagline is backed up with a footnote. Please add one of these in before you add additional taglines.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  14:11, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * But if a tagline isn't mentioned in books or sites? Source are episodes themselves. The final book you have mentioned in footnotes was published in 2001. There is no source. Only episodes themselves. This kind of information almost always haven't soirce except tv series itself. Lado85 (talk) 14:39, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. The last citation is from Indiewire. Additionally, you can use the episode itself, but you need to use the cite episode template.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  16:05, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Books
When I was young I read some X-Files books. I could not find them mentioned here anywhere. One of these books, for example, was Ruins by Kevin J. Anderson. According to the Wikipedia entry, it even made the New York Times Best Seller list and was voted the "Best Science Fiction Novel of 1996". Apparently, there was a whole book series. This article however only mentions the comic books. --JPGoelz (talk) 08:47, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * They do see mention at The X-Files literature, but unfortunately there isn't much material out there to expand the article in any real way, from what I've seen. G RAPPLE   X  19:46, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * For right now, I've added a link here.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  21:33, 23 May 2018 (UTC)