Talk:The Yellow Rose of Texas (song)

Untitled
The facsimile of the cover at http://www.stephen-foster-songs.de/Amsong58.htm indicates the publisher is William A. Pond & Co. of New York. It does indeed identify the composer only as "J.K." TaigaBridge 09:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC) BTW: Afaik, the correct name is Santa Ana. Guenther
 * "The publisher" is mentioned without being identified. --Wetman 08:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * "An example is many of the poems..." Violates the most basic rules of grammar and logic. Can a particularly apt Emily Dickinson poem be adduced instead? --Wetman 16:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Denise McVea
This paragraph lacks sources, is somewhat POV, and is bordering on original research. I'll remove it in a few days if these issues are not addressed. Natalie 03:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Dating the song
The opening paragraph mentions an authorship attribution to Gene Autry with a date of 1927, but if the song was familiar to Confederate troops as stated further into the article, then that's either badly (confusingly) worded or completely incorrect. I am just not sure which. MarkHB (talk) 05:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Dating in this article is very confusing. The lyrics come from more than one version, and then it says "25 years later" without establishing a starting date. fyi Gene Autry and Jimmy Long's version, which our lyrics were partly revised by, recorded their version March 1, 1933. Autry recorded a solo version for Victor previously on January 27. Tillywilly17 (talk) 08:47, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Texians
I reverted edits made by 221.126.155.75 which changed "Texan" to "Texian". Is there any reliable source that notes that the Texans called themselves Texians? — Loadmaster (talk) 19:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Allan Sherman
The whole point of the song, other than to parody the original, was the lead-up to the "Shamokin" joke. The entire lyric doesn't necesarily have to be stated, but the "Shamokin" bit needs to be mentioned. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 16:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That is your opinion - however, the "Yellow Rose of Texas" bit is only a small part of a much larger song medley, and since the track (as heard on My Son the Nut) continues on into yet another parody, that section can hardly be called "the whole point of the song". Also, please refrain from trying to insult those who edit the same things you do - it's unnecessary, unbecoming, and it's not appreciated. MikeWazowski (talk) 02:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I cut some of the lyrics to avoid reproducing the entire 8 lines. And I don't mean the point of the entire medley, just those 8 lines. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm still going to revert back to the original quotation. The line The punch line plays with the audience's expectations, as an obvious near-rhyme could be the Yiddish vulgarism, schmuck is personal opinion, original research, and unsourced. I also have a problem with calling his parody "Jewish-centered", since only the last lines could actually be construed that way. However, if you can find credible sources that cites your schmuck line as the "obvious" choice, feel free to include it. Until then, it should not be added back in. MikeWazowski (talk) 03:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Without the punch line, the song is pointless, so I took the whole thing out. It's also obvious you know nothing about the subject. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:03, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I was just checking Sherman's autobiography, A Gift of Laughter. On p.219, he talks about how some D.J.'s were concerned that My Son the Folk Singer was "too ethnic, which in my case meant Jewish." Wow. He was Jewish. Betcha didn't know that. And every track on that album has a strongly Jewish comic twist to it. Except this one, apparently. What a coincidence. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Melvin Rose" has the same meter as "Yellow Rose", obviously, and both "Melvin" as a first name and "Rose" as a last name fit the Jewish theme of the album. Well-known Jews with those names include Mel Allen and David Rose. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Please refrain from your insults and sarcastic comments - it's misplaced, unnecessary, and unbecoming - I guess those blocks for incivility didn't take... I've also restored the deleted section (minus the lyrics - nest to avoid the copyvio, but the fact of his parody should remain), since you apparently decided to make a point by removing a valid section just because someone disagreed with your interpretation of things. MikeWazowski (talk) 07:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Better to simply mention it, without any quoting of the lyrics, as you have now, than to quote just the first part, which has no point to it at all. The whole point of those eight lines is the "Shamokin" joke, which anyone who knows anything about it would get. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, note this change from December 27th. What you've done is to essentially restore the pre-December 27th version. It was the December 27th update that caused this hassle, because there was no point to quoting just the first 4 lines (or 2, depending how you count it), because the joke was in the last 4 (or 2) lines. Better not to quote it all. As for my blocks, those came when I lost patience with obstinate users. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 11:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * which anyone who knows anything about it would get - ah - trying to insult your fellow editors again, huh? "Whole point" is debatable - you don't get to be right just because you say you are. Try again... MikeWazowski (talk) 14:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Reference Edit
The recent reference edit, before my botched attempt, includes an insertion that falsely states that the author of one cited reference, "provides no information in support of her thesis" or something like that. This insertion is false, has no value, and is POV. I tried to edit it, but the edit attempt appears to have been unsuccessful. I would appreciate any assistance. Defuera (talk) 00:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Paul Harvey reference
The following had been added to the article in a nonstandard style, and I thought it better to move it to the talk page:
 * new information: According to Paul Harvy in the rest of the story The Yellow Rose of Texas was the daughter of Genaral Sam Huston who was orinanilly from Tennesse. more new information: According to one of the many biografies written about Sam Houston he was  excumunicated by the church rulers because him and his wife had separated and he refused to explain the reason for the separation,this is why he ended up in texas. So it is entirly possible that the original version was written by him.

Chorus?
The lyrics section is confusing. It sets out the lyrics of the verses and mentions that each verse is followed by a chorus, but no lyrics are given for the chorus. Is the chorus purely instrumental? Or are the lyrics of the chorus listed here as a verse?

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Origin of melody
Does the melody originate as an Irish jig or hornpipe entitled "Patsy Geary's" (or "Patsy Geary's Slide")? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 00:45, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

genre
I am of the opinion that referring to this song as a "folk song" is misleading, as its first known appearance was connected with a minstrelsy troupe. The term "folk song" usually connotes a song created outside of a commercial or "high art"context. While the melody may have originated elsewhere, the song as discussed in this article seems to have meaningfully originated in a commercial theatre context (minstrelsy), and therefore would be more accureately described as a "popular song." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isitactuallyafolksongtho (talk • contribs) 18:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)