Talk:The arts/Archive 1

Categories Arts and Humanities
It seems like in wikipedia, Category:Arts and Category:Humanities are separate. Humanities isn't a subcategory of Arts. Arts is architecture, design performance arts, visual arts, crafts,etc. It does not include humanities. If there is agreement on that, Category:Humanities and art should be deleted and Category:Literature moved out of Category:Arts.

Categories of Art and Visual arts
From what I can gather from the previous conversations on Category talk:Art, the vote was to keep Category:Art and it might be better to have a more descriptive name. So Category:Art could be roughly the same as Fine art, where fine art is painting, sculpture, dance, theater etc. I don't think I completed understand what was said on Category talk:Art. It seems to me like Art should continue to be an umbrella term with discussions really focused around painting and so forth. And Category:Art should not contain disciplines, just art history, artists, and so forth.

Grouping of arts disciplines
Taking a look at the Yahoo directory structure, Category:Arts may look like this:
 * Art history
 * Artists…
 * Performing arts
 * Theater
 * Acrobatics
 * Dance
 * Music
 * Opera
 * Film / cinema
 * Performance art
 * Architecture
 * Design arts
 * Graphic design
 * Furniture design
 * Industrial design
 * fashion
 * Visual Arts
 * Drawing
 * Illustration
 * Comics
 * Graffiti
 * Film / cinema
 * Painting
 * Book arts
 * Paper
 * decoupage
 * Stagecraft
 * Textiles
 * Tapestries
 * Embroidery
 * Engraving
 * Sculpture
 * Word carving
 * glass
 * Glass
 * Pottery
 * Photography
 * Printing
 * Crafts
 * cabinetry
 * Basketry
 * stonemasonry
 * lapidry

This is different that what I put on Category talk:Visual arts in that design and crafts are on the same level and Visual arts – to give better access and to not overweight visual arts, as well as to roughly define visual arts as more of fine arts.

02-15-04 Added Pottery as a category. Although clay work is sometimes considered a "craft" and inclusion with the "arts" is sometimes a contentious issue, I have been developing a tree of pottery articles which, I believe, would not be appropriately grouped under craft as the encyclopedia has defined them. Comments welcome. -W. (an anon)

October 8, 2006- Shouldn't Opera be a subset of theater (right now it's not listed a subset of anything)? --24.115.80.11 13:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

changes on Nov 29 04
include:
 * first couple of sentences sound as if it is the start of a long essay - removed
 * alphabetized list of arts areas with no other categorization
 * questionable list of contrasting professions -removed
 * condensed areas devoted to describing what the arts is not

disambiguation link repair project
I have fixed half a dozen disambig links to this page. There were some links in YearInTopic templates that have been fixed, and those links will disappear from "What links here" once whatever magical process that generates the list takes place. Shoehorn 07:08, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Disambig?
In my opinion this is not a disambig, it's an aritcle attempting to define the terms "Arts". Any objection to me removing the disambig? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commander Keane (talk • contribs) 22:43, December 5, 2005 (UTC)

Merge
This page is just a lite, list-oriented version of Art. I have marked it for 'MERGE. -- fairplay 05:30, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * But Art has more emphasis on painting, drawing etc. whereas arts has a much broader meaning usually. I dont think they should be merged Cfitzart 08:51, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Let me suggest that these distinctions are just a problem of prestige. "The Arts", with a capital "A", suggests that the thing takes more discipline, and you can get an MFA in it.  All the other stuff just goes somewhere under "Art".

Capitalisation
So, from the last comment, and the form it takes in the title of the article, can I take it that the correct form is to always capitalise when referring to 'the Arts'? In which case should the sentence within the article 'A precise definition of the arts can be contentious', be changed?Number36 22:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No, actually we should lowercase the title. Maurreen 16:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you, after reading the article on nouns I believe you are correct, 'the arts' would appear to be a collective noun which should not be capitalised according to the rules of grammar as explained in that article, having reading Naming conventions and Manual of Style (capital letters) I agree that the title of article should be changed... I can't do it myself because of the redirect page but I've placed a request for it at the top of this page. Within the article itself it appears as 'Arts' a few times, and I'll fix those.Number36 23:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Unless of course anybody has a reason or explanation why it should remain 'The Arts'?Number36 23:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Embedded links
When embedded links are used (preferably rarely) they create automatic numbers for each successive link. However, not to confuse the reader who might associate such embedded link numbers with the normal inline citation numbering, an expanded reference must be entered into a separate list in the References section to identify the nature of each numbered external link. See Cite_sources for the rules. I fixed the problem in this article by finding those links in the History section (2 in fact) and including a full reference for each one, with title and other required information, which were added to the beginning of the References section, as a bulleted list. Skol fir (talk) 06:02, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Inclusion of applied arts
After looking more into the definition of "visual arts" today, it became apparent to me that the applied arts should also be mentioned, and since Wikipedia already has entries on these, it was appropriate to link them into the introduction. Skol fir (talk) 16:47, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


 * User:Notpietru has kindly allowed this statement referring to the "applied arts" to remain intact, but in another article for "Visual arts", as this is more relevant there. The arts is too general a topic to have excess details clogging up the introduction.
 * Skol fir (talk) 06:48, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I am a merciful editor, yes indeedy. Ελληνικά όρος ή φράση (talk) 20:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

No Advertising allowed- it is SPAM
I had to remove an external link at the bottom of the article because it clearly broke the rules for external links. See the Help section for editing, which lists the type of links that are inappropriate for an article (External links). In particular: "Item 4: Links mainly intended to promote a website. See External link spamming." Skol fir (talk) 17:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Comment
Arts is also a collage course, comprising many different subjects! Ehm, what about deleting the ballroom dance picture. What's the point of it, really?
 * Uh... To illustrate dance? Most of the other subsections have pictures illustrating them; the ballroom dance picture is there to show an example of dance. --V2Blast 00:23, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:No. 5, 1948.jpg
The image Image:No. 5, 1948.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check


 * That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
 * That this article is linked to from the image description page.

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Media copyright questions. --05:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Liberal arts
Are the liberal arts apart of the arts? Brad7777 (talk) 20:41, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Definition of "the arts"
I was able to clarify the meaning of "the arts" using various resources both within and outside of Wikipedia, as shown in the new section "Definition". My main purpose for adding this section was that the original version of the overview for "the arts" broached the topic of the term "art" as a separate concept from "the arts", without explaining it. I thought that a section devoted to a definition would help to clarify this difference. Skol fir (talk) 00:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * As the breakdown of the arts into various subsections, such as "Fine Arts", "Visual Arts", "Decorative Arts", "Applied Arts", "Design", "Crafts", "Performing Arts" can be quite confusing, it is refreshing when an artist actually suggests that we "stick with visual, auditory, performance or literary - when we speak of The Arts - and eliminate "Fine" altogether". That is why I decided to include Shelley Esaak's article as a reference at the end of the "Definition" section.
 * We could all use a better way to subdivide the arts so that is less confusing. The term "Fine Arts" can be so snobbish when it excludes other arts, as if only they are "fine"!
 * Skol fir (talk) 07:20, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I find 'Visual, auditory, performance and literary' just as confusing as the traditional term 'fine' art (or the plastic arts - which at least has the advantage of including print-making (including photography) and is generally the scope pursued in art education). We read with our eyes, making literature a 'visual' art - we go to watch as well as listen to concerts and other performances, making them 'visual' arts as well! Are there any arts that are not 'visual'? Even when we buy recordings of music these are accompanied by 'artwork' and notes. The folly of trying to align separate arts with the senses is manifest. The distinction between 'Fine' arts and applied arts or crafts was meant to capture some more specialised expertise to, say, picture-making of some kind, or three-dimensional model-making, rather than allow all market or industrial applications the same value. We thus preserve a distinction between a child's plastic duck, as a bath toy, and Henry Moore's numerous bronze castings, for example. Craft is thus understood to make an object competently, while Art is to exceed such standards.

One thing the current entry does get right is of their historical development. They are confusing because they are ad hoc - the distinctions serve for different occasions and quickly run into problems as society progresses, technologies change. It is right to emphasise this and to acknowledge the ongoing problems.--Gerry Bell (talk) 00:02, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

The Various Arts
The list of Various Arts on this page seems to have gone a little astray. Would anyone with some knowledge of the subject like to give it a spring-clean, so we have a list of which ones "usually are included"? Or any suggestions on improving this part of the page... - Bobathon (talk) 16:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Why do people need some sort of art??? Does this have any reason, some one to choose dancing or music or any thing?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.43.203.90 (talk) 06:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sri Lanka is famous for at least one artist. For example, Michael Ondaatje (born 12 September 1943) is a Sri Lankan-born Canadian novelist and poet of Colombo Chetty and Burgher origin. He is perhaps best known for his Booker Prize-winning novel, The English Patient, which was adapted into an Academy-Award-winning film. That is one good reason for being interested in art, right? Also, look at Culture of Sri Lanka. The arts are good for everyone.
 * Skol fir (talk) 04:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Someone correctly pointed out that Women's Studies is not a subject under the Humanities. In fact, it is an area of interdisciplinary study which includes many subjects in the humanities and social sciences, with the intent of highlighting women, feminism, gender, and associated politics. Skol fir (talk) 05:13, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Photography...
Still not included in this discussion? After so much great has been work done? --66.181.79.114 (talk) 00:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Why the delay? Added photography section under Visual Arts, since it is more deserving than conceptual or video games.FigureArtist (talk) 03:15, 22 December 2012 (UTC)