Talk:Theatrical technician

Merge to Stagehand
Re: Stagehand/Teatrical Technician. Internationally, the Theatrical Technician terminology should be considered to be more generic. Stagehand more usually refers to a junior member of the crew who is involved in moving scenery, outside the US. It certainly does not apply to a Stage Electrician, Sound Engineer or flyman, for example. If anything, stagehand should redirect here. Bryson430 22:18, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree fully. KeepOnTruckin 00:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I do not agree. as I said on the talk page for stagehand the union which reperesents workers in this field in canada and the us refer to them all as stagehands regardless of what department they work in. Maybe there is a way for there to be a compromise on this issue while keeping it down to one article as I think multiple articles which describe the same thing would become confusing. --Lekogm 03:16, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * For Clarity: I support a merge, but the master article should be called Theatrical technician. IATSE is not the final global arbiter of terminology.  There should, however, be a clear note in the first paragraph explaining the terminology differences from country to country. Bryson430 11:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Excuse me if I'm about to say the same thing, but I suppose, if they really had to be merged, that stagehand be merged into Theatrical technician. KeepOnTruckin 19:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I do not agree (and I chose my username before reading this proposal.) All stagehands are theater technicians, not all theater technicians are stagehands. Certainly technical managers are theater technicians, and it may well be that set designers and costume designers are theater technicians. The term stagehand (or bühnentechniker, machiniste, maccinista) specifically implies a blue-collar tradeperson (union or non-union) who has versatile, even unusual skills, but who does not exercise substantial artistic and management judgement. This is similar to the fact that a bricklayer or drywall taper may do beautiful, pleasing work, but he/she does not provide the specifications for the desired results. It's true that a follow spot operator may have to make judgements that are conspicuous to a paying audience, but such as situation is usually a result of insufficent instruction (for example) by a stage manager (... another type of theater technician.)Stagehand 21:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And that is what I was looking for in an argument against this Thanks a lot brother. --Lekogm 22:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Stagehand in that designers are not concidered stagehands, yet all stagehads are concidered theatrical technicians. I feel that one of the major challenges on this project will be the lack of standardised termanology even between theatres. -JWGreen 03:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

My vote would be to merge stagehand into Theatrical Technician, wiki's not a dictionary but the ifferences should be made clear in the merged article. --RedHillian 22:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge of the stage section of techie to this article
I'd say leave the two articles apart, because of techie having two meanings and beacuse of people's preferences as to being called techies or technicians. KeepOnTruckin 19:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

The reason I suggest a merge is to consolidate articles. Techie is a nickname for a technician and is therefore the same thing which is why I have suggested this merge. As it says in the merge article, "Wikipedia is not a dictionary; there does not need to be a separate entry for every concept in the universe." --Lekogm 20:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That is true. KeepOnTruckin 21:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a simple notation on the Techie page that says "Techie is also used to denote a Theatrical Technician" would be sufficient for that page, and perhaps on the Theatrical Technician page a notation about the fact that some consider the term objectionable. Morydd 21:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Agree with Lekogm, it's all redundancy otherwise. --RedHillian 22:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Bunch Of new stuff added
I like the new addition, but it needs copy editing and wikilinks. lets get to it. KeepOnTruckin Complain to me 04:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I would like to point out an inaccuracy-- carpenters are not always responsible for moving the scenery during the run of a show, typically this is assigned to Stage Operations (these usually belong to Stage Management). Hans Hinrichsen --00:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)75.167.224.205
 * Stage Management may be responsible for planning the movement of the scenery, but carpenters actually move it. --Lekogm 14:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)