Talk:Theme Aquarium

Not a Bullfrog game?
I've just come across a startling discovery: this game may not actually be a Bullfrog game! According to this, it was actually developed by Tose, who had Electronic Arts' permission to use the Bullfrog and Theme branding to appeal to Japanese audiences. Also dubious is that a game developed by a British company was originally released only in Japan. The English PC port removed all references to Bullfrog and its Theme series. I didn't update this article with this information, because it ultimately comes from Mobygames, which is not a reliable source. Does anyone have any reliable sources to confirm who actually developed this game? EDIT: I had another look at the source, and it does indeed reliably confirm that this is not a Bullfrog game, but a Tose game. I'm not sure whether to be WP:BOLD and make such a radical change without making absolutely sure first though, especially as Bullfrog being the developer seems obvious. Adam9007 (talk) 01:05, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I made the change in light of no response and a lack of sourcing otherwise. Do want to note that the link is a Gamasutra user blog post and not necessarily reliable. czar  19:52, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Gamasutra is a reliable source, and it is a "featured post", so I don't why why it's unreliable. I have since located a (certainly reliable) source that basically says few at Bullfrog were familiar with Theme Aquarium. Hmm... Adam9007 (talk) 03:00, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The following blog post, unless otherwise noted, was written by a member of Gamasutras community. It's a community post that wasn't necessarily vetted by editorial. Staff posts don't have the disclaimer. czar  03:10, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 22 August 2016

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move after more than two weeks and a relisting. Cúchullain t/ c 20:53, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Theme Aquarium → Aquarium (1998 video game) – Not sure about this, as it creates a disambiguation, but look at the above. If it's correct, then this isn't a Bullfrog Theme game at all, and it would be misleading to present it as such even if it uses the branding. Aquarium is also the title used in English speaking countries; it was only called Theme Aquarium in Japan. There is already an article called Aquarium (video game) about a different game of the same name. Adam9007 (talk) 02:05, 22 August 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Cúchullain t/ c 15:01, 29 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Support, per WP:USEENGLISH. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:41, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Theme Aquarium is an English name, even if it was only used in Japan. テーマ アクアリウム is the Japanese name. If Theme Aquarium is not English, then neither are Theme Park or Theme Hospital. Or are you saying Aquarium is the most common English-language name? Adam9007 (talk) 16:14, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Administrator's comment: I'm relisting. It would be helpful to see how this topic is discussed in reliable sources.--Cúchullain t/ c 15:01, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose, pending well-sourced contrary facts. Cover/logo says Theme Aquarium, so it's going to take extraordinary sourcing for the extraordinary claim that this isn't the real title. Whether it's "really" a Bullfrog game is irrelevant to this question.  If I write a book titled Sherlock Holmes and the Case of the Cats Who Squeak for Treats All the Time and Get Hair Everywhere, that is its title despite the fact that Arthur Conan-Doyle didn't write it.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  04:50, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It's called Theme Aquarium in Japan, but in the anglosphere it's just Aquarium. The Bullfrog and Theme branding were only used on the PlayStation version, Japan only. If you only know the PC version, you would never know it's also called Theme Aquarium. If the source is correct, the only reason it uses the Bullfrog and Theme branding is to appeal to Japanese audiences, as it was (or at least Theme Park was certainly) popular in Japan. It would be factually incorrect to present and treat this as a Bullfrog or Theme game if it isn't, even if one version uses their branding. Adam9007 (talk) 21:12, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It may well be incorrect to present it as a Bullfrog game (we might need better sourcing on that), but that's not a RM issue. To the extent this game is even notable at all, what do the majority of English-language sources call it, and what is the evidence for that?  That's probably the only question that RM needs to address.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  21:17, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * There aren't many web sources out there (that I could find), so it's difficult to tell. No idea about print sources. I did find that it appears to have been released on the PC in Japan, still called Theme Aquarium and has the Bullfrog logo. But it's difficult to tell for English-language sources. Adam9007 (talk) 21:39, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose per SMcCandlish. Given that it already satisfies WP:NATURALDIS, the title calls it "Theme Aquarium", and no strong sourcing either way, it's better to keep it where it is. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:30, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


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