Talk:Thenkalai

Origin of the name
The reasoning behind the name "Thenkalai" presented in this article sounds rather unlikely (one can hardly "migrate to Srirangam from the south of India"). I've read (in "Yaar Vainavan", I think) that the reason behind the name is that the Vadakalai philosophy had its centre in Kanchi in the north of Tamilakam whilst the Thenkalais had theirs in Arangam in the south. Do you have any sources for the migration theory? -- Arvind 13:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Hijacking Content
If any sincere wiki editor or administrator are interested to see how one person can hijack certain topics they can use the topics of Iyengar, Thenkalai to see the same.

The content has been spoiled by a fanatic person.

The map I have uploaded now is one example of the work I did in collecting evidence against the set of false data or hate books the other person quotes from.

In some ways I admire the foolhardy fanatical commitment he shows in guarding this pages trying to project the POV of his sect.

Because, during this period, I have devoted myself to actually following the teachings of the Thennacharya Sampradhaya Gurus and am able to get so much more inner peace then fighting this edit war.

Even today when I logged again and saw these pages ( I have been totally avoiding seeing the content in these pages in order to avoid getting worked upto a fury), my boiling point was reached.

However I have collected a fair bit of evidence and hopefully should come back to editing in a few months time.

Editors like Hari may earn badges, from wiki but in their zealous fanaticism are doing a great disservice to the prevailing harmony amongst the Iyengars and bent on perpetuating the bad blood between Thenakalaiyar ( the original sect) and the Vadagalaiyar ( who grouped together in 1300s). It goes against the spirit of Vaishnavism and the Sri Sampradhayam as propagated by Sri Ramanjua.

I will still be logging in very infrequently only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramanujamuni (talk • contribs) 01:25, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Some links in Map may not work
Since that map was created last year some of the linked pictures are not working. But there is sufficient evidence on the internet to prove the facts indicated by them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramanujamuni (talk • contribs) 01:29, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Undid the previous edit
The core philosophy of wiki is verifiable data. The said data compiled under one google map location is not some vague unverified links, but the proper pictures of the temples with Thenkalai symbols. There cannot be a single government data for this for the very simple reason the temples come under different Boards.

Wiki has been operating on basis of veriable data and not government data. If that is the case 90% of wiki material will not exist. Ramanuja 00:27, 30 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramanujamuni (talk • contribs)


 * The map that you attempted to use, Rammujamuni, is a user created map. While we can use some maps as reliable sources, first, the maps need to 1) meet WP:RS, which open-edited place never can, and 2) need to explicitly cover the exact information (that is, we cannot interpret the maps in any way). I have reverted the addition. Should you find a reliable source (see WP:RS for what that means), then the info can be re-added. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:39, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Approver Conduct in Iyengar and Thenkalai?
It has been my observation that User:Hari7478(talk) has in several places amply demonstrated his leanings to one of the two Vaishnava traditions and hence does not deserve the moral right to be approving changes to Iyengar and Thenkalai wikipages. As it is evident from the wikitalk page of Talk:Iyengar, Hari7478's views have been constantly contested. He/She has also been accused of "pushing his/her own fabricated conclusions", "misquoting of sources" and "perpetrating falsehood" in addition to wielding undue 'reverting' influence in places where his POV is challenged. I request you Qwyrxian, as an administrator, to consider commissioning another competent review authority for these pages. People like Hari7478, with their fanatical/ideological leanings to a particular tradition do not merit the moral authority to be administrating these webpages anymore. This is my sincere request to uphold the spirit of information sharing principles. Mukukv (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:23, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


 * First of all, none of them who contested my edits provided a reliable source to support their claims. By the way i didn't provide all the references nor did i make all the contributions. Those who accused me didn't provide any valid point on their behalf, but were just accusing me based on a WP:IDONTLIKEIT reason, thereby demonstrating unwillingness to accept factual data, regardless of wiki editing policies. You can see another contesting user's message right above this one which is no different from those types, and i'm sorry to tell you that your's is no different. What earns you a right is "a reliable & verifiable neutral party source" to support your claim under a sensitive section of a wiki' page. Anymore accusation, like the previous one, wouldn't make any sense here(in wiki) as none of them adhere to talk page guidelines, and i request you not to use names in talk pages, which might invite a warning. Thank You. Hari7478 (talk) 20:25, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Ahobila Mutt 5the Jeeyar Thenkalai
According to Ahobila Mutt, 5the Jeeyar is thenkalai http://www.ahobilamutt.org/us/acharya/bio/as2-7.asp

hari7478 not allowing to add..

hari7478 come for mediation in wikipedia.

I have seen how you chicken out of any mediation in Iyengar page.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fastnfurios (talk • contribs) 21:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

User has been spamming this message across various talk pages. Ahobila mutt is a non-neutral source for a challenged data. Even if both parties agree to this, it's not a valid wiki' src. It is possible that the agreement by both parties is intended to avoid conflicts in future. By the way, this is not be included in this talk page. It doesn't matter what you say. All that matters is what wiki policy says. Challenged data needs neutral party ref. Hari7478 (talk) 21:58, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Thenkalai Content in Wiki Leaves a lot to be desired.
If one drop of venom can spoil the whole pot of milk, one person can ruin the wiki content which the whole world can access then that credit goes to Hari7478. Under the cover of wiki processes and policies meant to bring fairness he has been rather successfully destroying the content relating to Iyengar/ Thenkalai Iyengar. It is understandable that as a Vadagalai Iyengar he may have affinities to that sect. But to remove any useful content relating to Thenkalai Sampradhyam from the wiki page is ridiculous.

Look at what is the content. - Thenkalai Sampradhyam - differences with Vadagalai - is that the only content about Thenkalai.

I am sorry wiki - I dont have the time to master your processes and techniques - I can add a decent content. Be fair. But to manipulate false propoganda jihadist and fight your process is not my forte.

BTW - Hari7478 is advised that his/her attachment to Vadagalai is rather superflous, the core of Thenkalai, both acharya, sampradhayam and most of all holy cows - the people and the gene pool - they are the same as what the Vadagalai Sampradhayam claims to stand for. It is a (Thenkalai) bigger Venn Diagram with this and many others thrown in.

In terms of philosophical content there is so much alignment between Pillai Lokachariyar's thesis and Vedantacharyas works. Of the two historically Pillai Lokachariya came earlier in age/ seniority / orginality.

If you want to go by the last prophet approach then too there is clear historical continuity in the Thenkalai Sampradhyam because Sri Manavala Mamunigal who became a guru to Sri Ranganatha himself has clearly inherited the status of Head of all 74 simhasanathipathis as well has having a continued tradition of Ashtadiggajas.

Swami Vedantacharya whose brilliant achievement included the safeguarding of Sri Ramanuja's Sri Bhashyam referred to all the works he saved, the Poorvacharya works (including Lokacharya) and produced fantastic books. But he never had a clear Guru Parampara continuity like what has been maintained in the Thenkalai Sampradhyam.

This it self is a proof to the fact that the Vadakalai Sampradhayam has been entity created much later with retrospective lineages, and justifications. Whether it is the role of Holy Mother or the Nirhetuka Kripa - The Thenkalai Sampradhayam's stand is whole encompassing - includes the Vadakalai philosophy as a subsect.

So if you are truly what you claim to be a brahman - seeker of brahmam or pure knowledge through the blessing of Holy Mother, stop indulging in such unethical practices.

Signed by Ramanuja Muni Ramanuja 22:33, 4 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramanujamuni (talk • contribs)

Merged to Sri Vaishnavism
This article was merged to Sri Vaishnavism; that article already contained more info on the Thenkalais than did this article. Joshua Jonathan  -  Let's talk!   06:52, 11 April 2016 (UTC)