Talk:Theodoric I

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 * I've seen it speculated that Theodoric was Alaric's son-in-law, but never that he was Alaric's illegitimate child. What's the source for that? --Abou 21:17, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I agree with the above comment. If there are no objections, I intend to remove the words "An illegitimate son of Alaric". This is would be based on a much more recent source than Gibbon, the Prosopography of the Later Roman Empire (PLRE). According to PLRE, there is no evidence that Theoderic (not Theodoric) was Alaric's son. What we do know, based on Sidonius Apollinaris, is that Theoderic's son, Theoderic II, was a grandson of Alaric. But since no sources state that Theoderic was Alaric's son, legitimate or otherwise, and since it seems like this is something that the likes of Jordanes would have written down, it is much more likely that it was Theoderic's wife who was a daughter of Alaric, and that is how Theoderic II was a grandson of Alaric but Theoderic I was not a son of Alaric. At any rate it is not possible to affirm that Theoderic I was Alaric's son. Jroo222 (talk) 17:35, 22 June 2019 (UTC)


 * So, to clarify, the edit is because we know that his son was Alaric's grandson, but we do not know how. General scholarly consensus is that Theodoric married one of Alaric's daughters, rather than that he was illegitimate. Jroo222 (talk) 23:23, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Offspring
It is listed on the page that Theodoric had a daughter, "A daughter of Theodoric had been married to Huneric, a son of the Vandal ruler Geiseric (in 429?)". The link that appears through clicking various other links (Huneric, then his wife). The wife/daughter is Licinia Eudoxia, a Roman Empress, daughter of Eastern Emperor Theodosius II and wife of the Western Emperors Valentinian III and Petronius Maximus. The question is, who is the real father? Theodoric I or Theodosius II? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kspei (talk • contribs) 21:49, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Huneric was married to Theoderic's daughter, but when the opportunity arose to marry Eudocia (Licinia Eudoxia's daughter) instead, Theoderic's daughter was returned to Gaul after being cruelly mutilated (Jordanes 184 http://harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/Goths/Goths2.htm#X36) Jroo222 (talk) 17:43, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Why "Theodoric" ?
Theodoric's real name was "Theodered" (Þiudared). Jordanes named him "Theoderidus"; the Chronica Regum Visigotthorum, Gregory of Tours and Isidore of Seville named him "Theuderedus".--88.178.38.7 (talk) 19:35, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Jordanes and Gregory are sixth century (150 years after Theodoric lived), Isidore is seventh century. A contemporary chronicler, Hydatius, calls him Theodoricus (year 418, "Vallia eorum rege defuncto Theodoricus succedit in regno"), but also Theodore (year 451, "occiso Theodore Thurismo filius eius succedit in regno"). Sidonius, who was in his twenties when Theodoric died, does call him, in genitive case, "Theodoridae." The confusion over whether he was Theodoric or Theodored therefore dates back to his own lifetime. He may well have been Theodored, but he was known also as Theodoric in his own lifteime, and is known that way in all the king lists, where he is listed as Theoderic I or Theodoric I. It would be very confusing to change it now. I think because he was known as Theodoric by contemporaries and because he is traditionally known as Theodoric or Theoderic I, it is best to keep this and note that some sources call him Theodored, and his 'real' name may have been either one. Jroo222 (talk) 19:04, 22 June 2019 (UTC)