Talk:There's a Hole in the Bucket

Re: the alleged copyright vio, a quick google search reveals several websites that have the lyrics. All identify the song as "traditional" suggesting it is not copyrighted. This site specifically asserts that the copyright holder is unknown. TMS63112 20:28, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Just because "some website" has the lyrics doesn't mean it's not a copyvio. The specific one you mentioned states that copyright status is unknown. Even if the song is public domain, Wikipedia is not the place for it. Wikisource would be more appropriate. --malber 01:43, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Based on the age of the song, it is likely public domain. If you have information to the contrary please let me know.  As far as whether the content is appropriate to Wikipedia, what about John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt?  It's another of my favorite infinite-loop motif children's songs.  Whn I saw it had an article of its own, but "hole in the bucket" did not, I decided to create one.  TMS63112 21:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, it may be public domain. But because we're unsure, there should be some verifiable source to cite. Also, unless you're going to be doing some analysis (again, sourced), this should really be over at Wikisource. As it stands, John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt could be deleted because it doesn't cite sources and would appear to be original research. --malber 23:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I would not have a huge problem with moving the lyrics to wikisource, with a link from the article, if there's a consensus to do that.


 * As for your other points, the article is a stub and needs expansion and analysis. But children's music and folk songs are  not my areas of expertise.  Ideally, the article should cite sources for any analysis provided.  But we have thousands of articles that do not cite sources.  That's a reason they should not be featured articles, but not a reason they should be deleted.  In addition to deleting John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt as original research would you also propose deleting White Christmas (song) and Little Drummer Boy? Neither of them appear to cite sources either. TMS63112 04:30, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I think that the version was originally 'There's a hole in MY bucket' and not 'the bucket' and so this article should in fact be merged with the other, not the other merged with this.


 * If you only "think" that was the original version, and can't document it, then there's no proof either way, and it becomes an arbitrary decision. Another reason to move it to Wikisource instead of leaving it here.

The other article is easier to read and understand. Perhaps we can redirect people there, and delete this one? With a mention that "in the bucket" is a variaton on the "in my bucket." I think MY sounds better, but then, it is what I learnt. RoseWill 16:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC)